Swain wants Butch to emulate Dabo

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This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
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I've always felt a head coach should be a CEO type/face of the program and hire the best talent to do the heavy lifting. As for the rest of his comments, I agree with each and every one except possibly Jennings remaining at WR. Think he would serve us better at safety. Starting to wonder about Warrior a wee bit.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
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Sounds ideal
 
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I've always felt a head coach should be a CEO type/face of the program and hire the best talent to do the heavy lifting. As for the rest of his comments, I agree with each and every one except possibly Jennings remaining at WR. Think he would serve us better at safety. Starting to wonder about Warrior a wee bit.
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Don't agree. Jennings is our most productive returning receiver. We will already be struggling with WR depth, can't afford to have him change positions again
 
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CAVPUT said:
I've always felt a head coach should be a CEO type/face of the program and hire the best talent to do the heavy lifting. As for the rest of his comments, I agree with each and every one except possibly Jennings remaining at WR. Think he would serve us better at safety. Starting to wonder about Warrior a wee bit.
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Yep. That's what Majors did for the most part. If you look at the coaches he had on his staffs at UT it's very impressive.
 
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Completely agree. Think about it in Fulmer's time.

The real coaching was done by the Chief as DC and Cutcliffe running the offense. The year Cutcliffe left Fulmer struggled.

Fulmer however was a great closer on the recruiting front.
 
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One of the things Dabo does is gets the best kids on the field. Saw where he started a true freshman on his OL against OSU. I do not know this for a fact, but from the outside looking in, CBJ seems to favor seniority over talent. There's a lot of examples of this but from our opening game we had older kids playing poorly, perhaps due to injury, but on the field under performing over younger better kids watching them play. Further how does a talent such as Warrior NOT play more than he did given our DB woes? How does Smith that drops about as many as he catches starts over Byrd or Johnson? CBJ needs to let freshman that can play and start do it, the hurt feelings experiment ala Hurd should be over now. Get those youngsters that can help us win on the field!!
 
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Dabo is humble, but confident, in all things...we could all take a lesson from him...present company included...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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CAVPUT said:
I've always felt a head coach should be a CEO type/face of the program and hire the best talent to do the heavy lifting. As for the rest of his comments, I agree with each and every one except possibly Jennings remaining at WR. Think he would serve us better at safety. Starting to wonder about Warrior a wee bit.
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Warrior will be just fine.
 
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Butch had too have his hand in everything . That is his downfall as a head coach. Butch seems to have an ego problem wants the program to evolve around him not around team .imo
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
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A lot of the Swain haters will find ways to poke holes in this but he is spot on.

CBJ needs to learn to not be afraid to hire coaches that are smarter than he is in their areas of responsibility. In the end, he'd be much better off. Perhaps a strong AD could help him understand that.

He's such a control freak so doing this would be extremely difficult.
 
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I sort of agree with Swain's intent but he obviously is just on the outside looking in at both the programs and generalizing what he thinks he knows.

At the end of the day, the success of the team falls squarely back on the HC. The HC is the one that is going to take the hits, even when it is an OC or CD or position coach that is not performing well.

I agree with the concept of the HC as the equivalent to a CEO, CIO, etc. in business. As such the HC has to set the vision for those that work for him and the team as a whole. The HC also has to have an OC / DC who he can trust to (1) execute that vision even when they may have different ideas and (2) give critical input into that vision to ensure the set up the HC (aka CEO) to be successful.

Most leaders as they work their way up the ladder take folks along with them. These are the folks they trust. These are the folks that understand the vision. However there will be times when some of those folks that are carried along are at a level where they are not able to be effective. There will also be situations where those folks become successful enough to move on to a bigger role.

I don't look at this as necessarily surrounding oneself with people smarter than you - that doesn't always work as a group of smart folks sometimes get hung up with being right all the time. I look at this as surrounding yourself with folks that compliment your skills and the skills of those they must work with.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabo_Swinney

Dabo has done a really good job. If you look at his record the team went backwards and then forwards. He inherited a much better program from Tommy Bowden than Butch did following the Kiff-Dools disaster. Some fans were disgusted after 2010 but then it took off. I believe Shoop will have a big hand with personnel going forward in shoring up the defense and some of the defensive backs might move to receiver and vice versa. Latrell Williams being redshirted is supposed to be a speed burner WR so Byrd might indeed move to defense. Can't see Jennings unless they used him in nickel or special situations as Carl Pickens did.
 
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Highest scoring offense in the history of UT.
Hired what many considered the best DC in the nation.


Jones won't hire good asst. LOL
 
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I think all this hire smarter folks is quite humorous - really smart people usually have really big EGOS and can get in the way of success.

Some folks also confuse intelligence with the ability to perform something well. These don't always go hand in hand. If they did then all the 5* would be aerospace engineers.

He needs coordinators that are exceptional at coordinating a defense/offense to maximize the output of the group as a unit. And he needs position coaches that are exceptional at coaching at that position. And he needs staff he can trust to do that. No one, regardless of how much a micro manager they are or aren't, will let the reins go if trust does not exist.
 
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There are so many similarities between Butch and Dabo. I've been comparing the two for several years. Both have a similar philosophy, personality, style of communication, recruiting prowess, etc.

The main difference between the two: Dabo brought in top-notch coaches when he hired Chad Morris and Brent Venables. Before that point, Dabo had similar struggles as Butch. Venables wasn't hired till Dabo's 5th Season and the end of Clemson's 4th Season was similar in many ways to the end of our season this year. Clemson got blown out in an embarrassing loss in the Orange Bowl with a defense that couldn't stop anything. While we won our bowl game, no doubt we had a similar embarrassing loss against Vanderbilt.

We're so close though and I feel like too many NegaVols here don't realize that. We're just a few top-notch coaches away from being an SEC Championship contender right now. Really hoping we land Mark Helfrich on the offensive side. Changes on defense may be needed, as well, but Shoop has a spectacular track record, so I don't view him as the problem there. Hoping Butch can realize what changes need to be made, because we have the potential to be a perennial power again if he does. No reason we can't look more like Clemson.
 
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It's the same way with Saban. He hires great coordinators and let's everything fall into place. Saban is a recruiter and a master motivator and that's about it.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You are kidding yourself if you think Saban does not have his hand print in everything Alabama does.
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I didn't say he doesn't have his hand in things, but he lets his coordinators do their jobs. He just blasts them on the sidelines when they're not doing their jobs well. There's a difference in getting involved and being involved too much.
 
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