Sumlin Officially Available

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saxvol said:
A case could be made that 41 of Sumlin's 51 wins were unimpressive. For starters, 18 of them came against putrid non-Power Five teams. Six more are added via Arkansas, who went 33-42 during the six-year stretch and never once finished above 8-5.

The remaining 17 are teams that went 8-5 or worse. Nine of those 17 finished at or below .500, and of Sumlin's 31 wins since 2014, 23 of them were over Arkansas, non-Power Five teams or opponents that finished at or below .500.

The Aggies won a few big games with Johnny Manziel, but they declined in that aspect since his departure. A&M defeated seven teams that finished in the Top 25, and only three of them have come in the past four seasons. Since 2014, A&M is one of five SEC teams to not win more than eight games (Arkansas, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Kentucky).

So while Kevin Sumlin won a large number of games, a vast majority of them came against weak opponents.

College Sports: Kevin Sumlin by the numbers: Was his record at Texas A&M actually as impressive as it seemed? | SportsDay

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Ok then who can we realistically get thats better? If you think a ton of big time coaches are just lining up to come to Tennessee then dream on. We have lost all ability to be picky. Sumlin can recruit with the best, he is a pretty good coach, not elite but pretty good, seems to have a good character as well. He said after the game yesterday that one of the most important thing was he leave TAMU in better shape than when he first got it, and he did.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
I'm 100% on board with Sumlin. There are coaches I want more, but I think he's a good coach. With the right coordinators, we start competing for the East again next year!
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Baloney. We are at least 3-4 years away from thinking about being a contender in the east.....and that's if everything falls our way with coaching and recruiting. Lots of holes on this roster and frankly, I think the talent is vastly over rated.
 
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rockyg79 said:
He has beaten Saban (with Smart as DC), Mullen, and everyone else in the East. He has won more with less talent than we had this year...and recruits very well. Not to mention, remember how well he did last time he had a guy wearing #2 at QB......get it done and get it done tonight! Save our program after this dumpster fire of today!
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Would be a genius move when compared with today’s s***ting of the bed
 
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Time to be real.....would be best for us and we win immediately. Name one coach in the east he hasn’t or can’t beat?!?
 
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I’ve stated that I don’t think Sumlin would be a good hire but if we’re going to have to dig at the bottom of the barrel, I could live with it.

He’s a great recruiter but I worry about his ability to develop talent, just like Butch.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Baloney. We are at least 3-4 years away from thinking about being a contender in the east.....and that's if everything falls our way with coaching and recruiting. Lots of holes on this roster and frankly, I think the talent is vastly over rated.
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Couldn't be more wrong. With a healthy roster and competent Coaching staff we easily could be contending for the East next year. GA is about to take a huge step back next season with all they will be losing and will get another @$$ beating to Auburn this weekend. Ridiculous statement saying we are 3-4 years away.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
What does Fulmer's record look like when examined in that light?
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Great question. I took a few minutes to look. I think on average he played 4 ranked teams a year generally and on average beat 2 of them. The year before he was fired, UT played 6 ranked teams and beat 3.

It seems like any really good football team would beat 7 or 8 unranked opponents a year, so I don't really know how you can blame anybody for that. There must be a better way to compare coaches than that.
 
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rockyg79 said:
Time to be real.....would be best for us and we win immediately. Name one coach in the east he hasn’t or can’t beat?!?
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His team's are always very physical on both sides of the ball. Him and Miles would be the 2 safest hires and think both could be had. He's probably headed to Ariz St so we would have to act fast and he could be a candidate at Miss St too.
 
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Sumlin, like Butch also had issues developing his players.
What is this disturbing trend on volnation of people wanting UT to hire fired coaches?
Sumlin, Miles, Strong. I dont get it.
There's a reason they were fired, they were not meeting expectations, i can promise you they will not meet our expectations as vol fans.
 
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That’s why I say get it done tonight! He will land on his feet somewhere in 48 hours. Book it!
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Great question. I took a few minutes to look. I think on average he played 4 ranked teams a year generally and on average beat 2 of them. The year before he was fired, UT played 6 ranked teams and beat 3.

It seems like any really good football team would beat 7 or 8 unranked opponents a year, so I don't really know how you can blame anybody for that. There must be a better way to compare coaches than that.
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Just for giggles if he averaged 3.5 OOC wins per year that would be on the order of 1/3 of his wins? I did the math a long time ago and don't have it anymore. He also had a weak West for most of his tenure and only needed to beat FL for most of his early career.
 
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saxvol said:
Sumlin, like Butch also had issues developing his players.
What is this disturbing trend on volnation of people wanting UT to hire fired coaches?
Sumlin, Miles, Strong. I dont get it.
There's a reason they were fired, they were not meeting expectations, i can promise you they will not meet our expectations as vol fans.
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Who is your guy and can we realistically still get him?
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Couldn't be more wrong. With a healthy roster and competent Coaching staff we easily could be contending for the East next year. GA is about to take a huge step back next season with all they will be losing and will get another @$$ beating to Auburn this weekend. Ridiculous statement saying we are 3-4 years away.
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Absolutely false. This roster is nowhere near a top team in the East. Our whole entire culture needs changing. Dooley brought in a oh well attitude and Butch brought in a well as long as we win 8-9 games its cool attitude. We dont have an identity anymore. Our players are lazy, slow and out of shape. Even if we were to get a great coach, its going to take time to get that crap changed. We are easily 3-4 years away. Possibly more than that.
 
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saxvol said:
Sumlin, like Butch also had issues developing his players.
What is this disturbing trend on volnation of people wanting UT to hire fired coaches?
Sumlin, Miles, Strong. I dont get it.
There's a reason they were fired, they were not meeting expectations, i can promise you they will not meet our expectations as vol fans.
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I would normally agree, but after today its going to take more then just throwing money at the problem to get a proven coach to come here.
 
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I’ve not heard he has agreed to anything....and surely to God we are more attractive than ASU
 
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