Stars and Recruiting Ranking discussion

[Danl]

Depending on the year you’re looking at over 400 undrafted feee agents on active rosters. No there’s not enough drafted nor 4/5 * guys to fill every roster.

Ok. I see that by one site there are 486 UFA currently on 53 man rosters. Let's take 486 undrafted free agents out of the total of 1696 players. That leaves about 1210 active players. That's about 160% of the 750 you calculated to have been drafted. Where did those extra 450+ players come from?

 

[Vol8188]

Ok. I see that by one site there are 486 UFA currently on 53 man rosters. Let's take 486 undrafted free agents out of the total of 1696 players. That leaves about 1210 active players. That's about 160% of the 750 you calculated to have been drafted. Where did those extra 450+ players come from?

Some guys play longer than average, sure.

 

[Danl]

Some guys play longer than average, sure.

Sure, but some play shorter than average.

Not aimed at you, 8188, but the numbers (not yours) seem wonky. There are 1696 players. There are 486 UFAs. I'm not sure I buy the published number for average NFL career. I suspect that the average length of NFL careers is skewed to the low side by the large number of rookies that never make a roster. I wonder if the average career for players that play at least one season might be much higher than 3.3 years.

 

[Vol8188]

Sure, but some play shorter than average.

Not aimed at you, 8188, but the numbers (not yours) seem wonky. There are 1696 players. There are 486 UFAs. I'm not sure I buy the published number for average NFL career. I suspect that the average length of NFL careers is skewed to the low side by the large number of rookies that never make a roster. I wonder if the average career for players that play at least one season might be much higher than 3.3 years.

Perhaps the average career is closer to 4 years if you include all players (kickers, punters, long snappers)? I’m not sure but I get what you’re saying.

3.3x259 (or how many ever picks total) should be roughly equal to the total number of drafted players in the league.

But for some reason there’s a difference of roughly 500 drafted players.

Another idea is that 3.3 is more of a historic average and careers today are longer (QBs seem to be for sure).

 

[allvolrecruiting]

Can’t wait for there to be another thread arguing this in a month! There’s a middle ground to all of it but everyone has to be right these days and won’t accept that

 

[LittleVol]

Can’t wait for there to be another thread arguing this in a month! There’s a middle ground to all of it but everyone has to be right these days and won’t accept that

It's impossible to be right about this.
That includes the recruiting guys.

That's the whole point of this argument.

 

[VolsdeepVFL]

This argument will never end until both sides admit they're only partially right...

To win championships you must convert 3 stars into starters via development, but you also must sign a portion of blue chip talent too. History shows that your roster being top 12 or better in talent means you have a shot, so it's not like we need top 5 classes (although it would be nice).

 

[Orange_Crush]

Can’t wait for there to be another thread arguing this in a month! There’s a middle ground to all of it but everyone has to be right these days and won’t accept that

What's the middle ground? That high star classes are great, but there is also under-or-non-ranked talent out there that could skew a team's talent ranking lower than its actual talent level?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Can’t wait for there to be another thread arguing this in a month! There’s a middle ground to all of it but everyone has to be right these days and won’t accept that

Yes it get’s old hearing the same redundant things. Like you said there is a middle ground to this that most of us don’t see, but sone think they have it all figured out. Me, I am just ready for football season. And winning! GBO!

 

[Dansky]

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How quick they forget

We will see how it goes going forward. Keep telling yourself high level recruiting isn’t extremely important in high level results. Yep we had a great year last season. Hopefully we can build on that with a top 10 recruiting class With another very good year.

 

[swampfoxfan]

We will see how it goes going forward. Keep telling yourself high level recruiting isn’t extremely important in high level results. Yep we had a great year last season. Hopefully we can build on that with a top 10 recruiting class With another very good year.

High level coaching is more a factor, ask Butch Jones

 

[LittleVol]

Let's get some things straight.

Every person on here understands you need good players to win. Great players to win big.

What people need to understand is that these kids are individuals that can fit in at a certain capacity depending on their own ability. And that changes from team to team.

You don't buy 4 star and 5 star guys off the shelf so to speak.

Example:
Jordan Addison 4 star
Jalin Hyatt 4 star.
Both won the Biletnikoff Award. Yet entirely different players. Who's better?? It depends on largely how a team chooses to use them. This means "actually playing" and using their specific skillset to make an impact.

Recruiting is SO MUCH deeper than many make it out to be. Each program has a vision, and it's entirely possible Tennessee 2023 class will be better than Texas A&M 2023 class-that was ranked higher - because of what Tennessee needed for their game plan.