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I have seen a lot of people comparing Dooley to Spurrier at South Carolina. Saying Spurrier coaches up 3 stars and makes them better. Whoever is saying this obviously knows nothing about Spurrier at USCe....

2005- 7-5
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6- no bowl
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
2010- 8-5
2011- 11-2
2012- 5-0

This is Spurrier's 8th season and it took them until his 5th year to have them ranked and until his 7th to compete for the SEC east title. This is a dumb comparison and if it is true Dooley will have a breakthrough his 7th year. I think he will have a breakthrough much sooner....

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The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
 
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Pasedenavol, So you are saying Dooley's job at Tennessee was easier? 3rd coach in 3 years. The 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes basically gone... and the pressure to win yesterday. While Spurrier set with a program that lacked a lot, but surely did not lack stability. He had hardly any pressure to compete (much like Cutcliffe at Duke) and he was given basically until he retired to make a difference. I say Dooley's job has been much harder.
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Agree
 
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And Spurrier has a very talent rich state to recruit from. Tennessee has little to nothing in state. So I would say Dooley is doing more than Spurrier thus far with less to work with. I have confidence in Dooley recruiting, but he is no Spurrier when it comes to coaching.
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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He also had previously won a NC...so...
 
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Also look at no losing records and his record against UGA, UF and UT. This is at a program that was on par with Kentucky.
 
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steve superior's resume includes about 7 conference championships and a NC.

past performance is the best predictor of future performance.

CDD's resume includes, what?
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Yet, Dooley inherited a much worse roster. That is what you are failing to see. Look at the last 3 senior classes. That is all you need to know.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
Pasedenavol, So you are saying Dooley's job at Tennessee was easier? 3rd coach in 3 years. The 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes basically gone... and the pressure to win yesterday. While Spurrier set with a program that lacked a lot, but surely did not lack stability. He had hardly any pressure to compete (much like Cutcliffe at Duke) and he was given basically until he retired to make a difference. I say Dooley's job has been much harder.
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I didn't say anything about Dooley at all. I simply stated my opinion of rebuilding at a school like USCjr vs a school like UT. No one would argue that Dooley didn't have a monumental task coming in, but it should've never gotten that bad to begin with...
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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You are right, you SHOULDN'T have to. But Dooley is having to because of the unusual circumstances surrounding this program. 3 coaches in 3 years?? That's tough. Especially when the majority of the team didn't want to see Fulmer gone in 08 (remember the press conference where they were disruptive?).

Tradition has no relevance in this conversation.
 
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Bro.... It's South Carolina. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. We're TENNESSEE buddy. Thread end.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yet, Dooley inherited a much worse roster. That is what you are failing to see. Look at the last 3 senior classes. That is all you need to know.
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Are you serious? SC was the worst team in the SEC for many years. They were horrible when SS came. When Dooley got here he still had some NFL players and good recruiting classes compared to what SC had.
 
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First&Tenn said:
Spurrier also beat 5 ranked teams with USC in his first 3 years there
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i'm not going to count it up but am also confident that CSS's record against teams with winning records has been much better than CDD's 2-28.
 
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Having said that, I still have my doubts about Dooley's ability to get it done. Look at Saturday's game and some of his coaching decisions:
1. Continuing to try to kick with Brodus, even after missing a couple of easy kicks
2. Why do you try to kick a field goal when you're down by 2 TD's with 8 minutes left on 4th and 5 inside the 20?
3. Burn a TO on a 2 pt conversion?

To me, he looks in over his head - I hate to say it because I really like the guy. But I still have my doubts - that's all. Hope he proves himself the rest of the season, but it's not about the W/L - it's about the overall coaching mindset and strategy - his doesn't seem to be working right now...
 
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RoanokeVol said:
And Spurrier has a very talent rich state to recruit from. Tennessee has little to nothing in state. So I would say Dooley is doing more than Spurrier thus far with less to work with. I have confidence in Dooley recruiting, but he is no Spurrier when it comes to coaching.
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Even if your contention that South Carolina provides more high-caliber prospects is true, South Carolina has to compete for those recruits with another top tier school. No, Clemson is not a national power, but there's no denying they recruit well. Tennessee doesn't face the same time to in-state competition (no offense, Vandy).
 
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dooley2 said:
You are right, you SHOULDN'T have to. But Dooley is having to because of the unusual circumstances surrounding this program. 3 coaches in 3 years?? That's tough. Especially when the majority of the team didn't want to see Fulmer gone in 08 (remember the press conference where they were disruptive?).

Tradition has no relevance in this conversation.
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Really? Tradition means nothing in recruiting? That's news to me...
 
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Only thing I don't like about Dooley is we haven't beaten a good team since he's been here.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
I have seen a lot of people comparing Dooley to Spurrier at South Carolina. Saying Spurrier coaches up 3 stars and makes them better. Whoever is saying this obviously knows nothing about Spurrier at USCe....

2005- 7-5
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6- no bowl
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
2010- 8-5
2011- 11-2
2012- 5-0

This is Spurrier's 8th season and it took them until his 5th year to have them ranked and until his 7th to compete for the SEC east title. This is a dumb comparison and if it is true Dooley will have a breakthrough his 7th year. I think he will have a breakthrough much sooner....

Flame away...
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Probably the best stretch in South Carolina football history :thumbsup:
 
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