Sources: UT Athletics Mulling New Apparel Deal With Adidas

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Brave Volunteer said:
Not saying you're wrong, but do you really think the chemical compound of dyes in the uniforms is something the UTAD spends time concerning themselves over? I find that difficult to believe. Furthermore, how exactly do you "monitor" such a thing? Isn't that Nike's or Adidas' job?
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Poorly worded. I meant build into the contract legally that unsafe or untested chemicals won't be introduced by various manufacturers in order to meet deadlines. But that should include having independent labs testing batches regularly to confirm that they are abiding by the contract. Otherwise, you might as well do it on a handshake and save money on lawyers.

Global supply chains are currently less predictable into the near future than they have been in decades. For example: Trump is about to end/replace the USMCA agreement with Canada and Mexico. GE Appliances (owned by China's Haier Group) is moving their production from China to Kentucky. Much of China's export into the US is assembled in and comes through Canada and Mexico. Everything tangible is moving, changing, rerouting.

I'm just saying that with so much instability, this is not the time to blindly trust large corporations who operate on small margins. That's not a political statement. It's just an economic-logistical reality. Everything is in flux, and if we've learned anything over the past 6 years, it's that protecting the end users is the last priority.
 
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Poorly worded. I meant build into the contract legally that unsafe or untested chemicals won't be introduced by various manufacturers in order to meet deadlines. But that should include having independent labs testing batches regularly to confirm that they are abiding by the contract. Otherwise, you might as well do it on a handshake and save money on lawyers.

Global supply chains are currently less predictable into the near future than they have been in decades. For example: Trump is about to end/replace the USMCA agreement with Canada and Mexico. GE Appliances (owned by China's Haier Group) is moving their production from China to Kentucky. Much of China's export into the US is assembled in and comes through Canada and Mexico. Everything tangible is moving, changing, rerouting.

I'm just saying that with so much instability, this is not the time to blindly trust large corporations who operate on small margins. That's not a political statement. It's just an economic-logistical reality. Everything is in flux, and if we've learned anything over the past 6 years, it's that protecting the end users is the last priority.
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I’ve never seen language like that in an apparel contract that I’ve reviewed.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I’ve never seen language like that in an apparel contract that I’ve reviewed.
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Understandable, because there's been no need for it. But that's my point (though maybe in error): things related to trade and supply are about to change drastically. For better or worse, for the next couple of years, availability and dependability may not be as predictable as they have been for the previous 30-60 years.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I still think we’ll switch, but Tennessee hasn’t even received Nike’s final counteroffer yet. Not done at this point.
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Good. I say this because the football uniforms Adidas has show so far this year isnt good,especially the deal with the pant stripes not going all the way down. And of course the well documented issues with the consistent shade of orange the last time we was with Adidas.
 
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As unis go I think shoes will be the biggest fall off if we go to adidas. As consumer apparel goes I’ve found hats and t shirts can be found by other brands that are better than Nike offers. Their t shirts, especially the 100% cotton, never fit quite right. The hats have decent designs but the material is mostly that hot ass wool crap and the fit is always random. I like some of the other gear like hoodies, shorts, and polos but it’s all usually ridiculously priced.
 
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As a business outsider, I can't help but wonder how any diverse, global manufacturing company can cobble together reliable figures for a contract right now.

I'm just looking at these new tariff agreements and noting how much they seem to change the logistics of manufacturing from previous years. Maybe insiders don't see it that way.

Personally, I'm in no position to make judgement on whether these changes are good or evil, wise in the short-run or long-run, or for whom they might be politically advantageous. For this thread, I'm just looking at the numbers and global trade sea change in relation to crafting reliable contracts.

* Note: The author below has his political bias, but the facts and figures relevant to our topic are laid out succinctly, and in plainer English than I find in the business journals.

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@DeerPark12 I'm counting on you and your experience to add your insights to these issues and questions. :)
 
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Does anyone know how many (and which) countries are involved to produce everything that is typically provided in a top university's athletic equipment contract?

And are Adidas and Nike both using the same countries, or does each corporation have its own, proprietary supply chain for certain items?

Seems like everything could be relevant to a purchase this large, diverse, and complex.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Does anyone know how many (and which) countries are involved to produce everything that is typically provided in a top university's athletic equipment contract?

And are Adidas and Nike both using the same countries, or does each corporation have its own, proprietary supply chain for certain items?

Seems like everything could be relevant to a purchase this large, diverse, and complex.
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The only thing that matters is the dollar figure attached to the contract offer. Tennessee will take the largest cash offer.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I still think we’ll switch, but Tennessee hasn’t even received Nike’s final counteroffer yet. Not done at this point.
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I think I’ve asked you this already, but would we accept a number from that’s slightly lower than what adidas is offering? To me there has to be some other factors involved than just the cash. Maybe I’m wrong on that.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Does anyone know how many (and which) countries are involved to produce everything that is typically provided in a top university's athletic equipment contract?

And are Adidas and Nike both using the same countries, or does each corporation have its own, proprietary supply chain for certain items?

Seems like everything could be relevant to a purchase this large, diverse, and complex.
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I don't know very much about the Adidas supplier network so I'm no help there.

Nike I do know just a bit about

Pretty much all Nike shoes are now made in VN. They used to make them in Malaysia but they got in big time child labor issues maybe 15 years ago and politically had to make some major changes.

Now helmets pads, etc etc I have no idea honestly-never dealt with those on an import basis Their normal apparel (shirts, pants etc) can come out of 3-4 different countries.
 
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So everyone keeps talking about we are in the era of money right? It’s the only thing that matters. Well if Adidas is gonna give significantly more than Nike, then why are some of you saying it’s a bad move?

Also if Adidas is such crap, why are some high profile recruits signing with them like Tristen Keys and Jeremiah Smith?
 
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With Deer Park saying UT hasn't even received the Nike counter offer yet, I wonder if this is a little "Jimmy Sexton" style "oops leak" to put the pressure on Nike to up their deal?

We've seen this sort of "reports are saying...." by coaches and players to squeeze a better deal out of their current team. I wonder?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The only thing that matters is the dollar figure attached to the contract offer. Tennessee will take the largest cash offer.
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Thanks for your insight in this and other threads! I've always enjoyed reading your posts as you are obviously plugged into the Athletic Department, especially when it comes to uniforms and apparel.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
With Deer Park saying UT hasn't even received the Nike counter offer yet, I wonder if this is a little "Jimmy Sexton" style "oops leak" to put the pressure on Nike to up their deal?

We've seen this sort of "reports are saying...." by coaches and players to squeeze a better deal out of their current team. I wonder?
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It’s not.
 
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GVF said:
Army of two actually.

I might have an aged Nike golf shirt of some sort around. Don't have much at all in the way of any of them. I might have a couple Adidas golf shirts. One of them is from Torey Pines Pro Shop. Athletic shoes are pretty much either going to be Asics or Brooks. Checking in on my 60th birthday come August, I have recenlty discovered newly designed Sketcher Slip-Ins. Won't get caught buried in previous Sketcher styles. So I have added those to my Asics/Brooks line-up. Golf Shirt/Polos typically end up being Izod, Grand Slam or Pro Tour. Or whatever is on deep discount at Belk or Kohls. I also discovered 32 Degrees online.
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