Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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Vol8188 said:
No one gets to the promised land until they do. Don’t pretend to know things you can’t possibly know
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What lol? Pretend to know we haven’t been good enough to win it all and you think when we do… you knew it all along and we should have known ?
that’s dumb
 
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@livefaith, im not going to crowd the other thread with this argument.
I think we have reached as far as Barnes will ever take the program, I get being scared of change because previous admins have not given basketball a second thought, but with the leadership we have in charge, I think we can get someone younger in with a higher ceiling.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
@livefaith, im not going to crowd the other thread with this argument.
I think we have reached as far as Barnes will ever take the program, I get being scared of change because previous admins have not given basketball a second thought, but with the leadership we have in charge, I think we can get someone younger in with a higher ceiling.
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That’s a dumb take. Barnes continues to rack up higher levels of success for the program. It’s not falling. The trend is upward.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
@livefaith, im not going to crowd the other thread with this argument.
I think we have reached as far as Barnes will ever take the program, I get being scared of change because previous admins have not given basketball a second thought, but with the leadership we have in charge, I think we can get someone younger in with a higher ceiling.
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Even so, you’re not fine just letting this ride out until he is ready to retire?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That’s a dumb take. Barnes continues to rake up higher levels of success for the program. It’s not falling. The trend is upward.
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Go back and look at his time at Texas, Its been nearly 2 decades since hes made it past the S16. Hes not going to get any further, the best team hes had and probably will ever have in Knoxville, he still couldnt get past the S16. He is what he is, id rather find a coach that can make those deep runs in March, and I think with DW at the helm we could pull someone better than people think.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Even so, you’re not fine just letting this ride out until he is ready to retire?
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No, you give him a nice retirement package behind the scenes and publicly say he decided to step down.
Dont wait until the program is on a downtrend to get the next guy, do it now while things are looking good all across Knoxville.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Go back and look at his time at Texas, Its been nearly 2 decades since hes made it past the S16. Hes not going to get any further, the best team hes had and probably will ever have in Knoxville, he still couldnt get past the S16. He is what he is, id rather find a coach that can make those deep runs in March, and I think with DW at the helm we could pull someone better than people think.
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Another dumb post. “And PROBABLY will ever have”. “We COULD pull someone better”. You PROBABLY aren’t aware, but Danny didn’t hire Tony Vitello or the Weeklys or Barnes or Harper and Heupel wasn’t Danny’s first choice.

I know about CRB’s time at Texas. Texas and Tennessee are different situations.

There’s been one year in the ENTIRE HISTORY of TN BB when they got past the S16.

One team in the history of TN basketball has been #1 in the AP poll for more than one week. TN was ranked in the AP top 25 EVERY week in 2022-23.

TN has only been to back-to-back SECT finals once in the modern era. Only once in the modern era did they make the finals in 3 of 4 years. TN has two SECT championships in the 45 modern era tournaments. The first one only took two wins.

TN now reloads their roster instead of rebuilding it.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
No, you give him a nice retirement package behind the scenes and publicly say he decided to step down.
Dont wait until the program is on a downtrend to get the next guy, do it now while things are looking good all across Knoxville.
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That wouldn't be smart. He has the program trending up, as mentioned. There are no signs that the foundation is crumbling. As long as he's improving what he's built there's no valid reason to replace him.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Another dumb post. “And PROBABLY will ever have”. “We COULD pull someone better”. You PROBABLY aren’t aware, but Danny didn’t hire Tony Vitello or the Weeklys or Barnes or Harper and Heupel wasn’t Danny’s first choice.

I know about CRB’s time at Texas. Texas and Tennessee are different situations.

There’s been one year in the ENTIRE HISTORY of TN BB when they got past the S16.

One team in the history of TN basketball has been #1 in the AP poll for more than one week. TN was ranked in the AP top 25 EVERY week in 2022-23.

TN has only been to back-to-back SECT finals once in the modern era. Only once in the modern era did they make the finals in 3 of 4 years. TN has two SECT championships in the 45 modern era tournaments. The first one only took two wins.

TN now reloads their roster instead of rebuilding it.
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I understand who Danny hired and didnt hire, but coaches want a competent admin, Danny is that.

Also, im not sure bringing in a bunch of mid major roster fodder is considered reloading, the roster is pretty bad for this upcoming season.
 
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EasternVol said:
That wouldn't be smart. He has the program trending up, as mentioned. There are no signs that the foundation is crumbling. As long as he's improving what he's built there's no valid reason to replace him.
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But hes not improving, we know what he is. Id rather he go find a young energetic coach more in line with Vitello and Heupel and give him time then continue to let the basketball program toil around and be ok but not great.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Also, im not sure bringing in a bunch of mid major roster fodder is considered reloading, the roster is pretty bad for this upcoming season.
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You keep elevating the dumb level of your posts. The roster for the upcoming season is outstanding.

Danny extended CRB through at least 2027. That must be really difficult for you to process.
 
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@mr.checkerboards idk how you can definitively, and with a straight face, try to claim that Barnes has some crystal clear ceiling here that can’t be cracked and it’s the S16. We lost on a horrible late call against Purdue, in a close game this past year in which we led, you keep making S16’s and it’s hard for me to think that there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever that we win one of those games eventually. Although I’m sure if we do you’ll just adjust your narrative to he can’t get past an E8 and continue pushing the ceiling narrative, right?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
@mr.checkerboards idk how you can definitively, and with a straight face, try to claim that Barnes has some crystal clear ceiling here that can’t be cracked and it’s the S16. We lost on a horrible late call against Purdue, in a close game this past year in which we led, you keep making S16’s and it’s hard for me to think that there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever that we win one of those games eventually. Although I’m sure if we do you’ll just adjust your narrative to he can’t get past an E8 and continue pushing the ceiling narrative, right?
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If he had a better history at Texas, I wouldn't say it, but when you look at his whole body of work that's what he is.
 
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