Some recruiting questions

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1. Why are we recruiting Woulard when we have Riley Ferguson and Peterman already in the mix?

2. If we have, say, five or six players to declare early for the draft, does that up our signing numbers by the same amount?

3. Why are there no commitments for running backs yet? Has no one tried to sign anyone yet or just none have been
recruited by Dooley yet? We nmeed a Jamal Lewis, Yeldon type back.

Thanks
 
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1. Most posters consensus i have seen is that Peterman and Woulard fit CBJ's offenses of the past. Ferguson may not.

2. Think it helps totally schollies free but doesn't effect SEC limit for this year so still only get 25 or so. Don't know about JUCO transfers not signings etc
 
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1. Why are we recruiting Woulard when we have Riley Ferguson and Peterman already in the mix?

2. If we have, say, five or six players to declare early for the draft, does that up our signing numbers by the same amount?

3. Why are there no commitments for running backs yet? Has no one tried to sign anyone yet or just none have been
recruited by Dooley yet? We nmeed a Jamal Lewis, Yeldon type back.

Thanks

1. He is available and interested, I think. Would be up to our new coach if he think he fits our system. Three QB's is not a lot.

2. Dunno.

3. I think we have tried, but they have been a wait-and-see since Dooley was on the hot seat. I think Green is that type back, and I think Graham and Co. are on him pretty good. There are 2 or 3 others that I think we are still in on. I kinda expect one of them might jump on board pretty quick now.
 
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1. Also add, even though we have Peterman most schools will always take a qb every year.

2. Look for about 25 commits.

3. We will have at least one before the signing day. Hard to get a kid to commit early when dd was on the hotseat.
 
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1.Why are we recruiting Woulard when we have Riley Ferguson and Peterman already in the mix?

The style of play as previous mentioned. He runs a spread offense but calls in a pro offense for recruiting purposes.

2. If we have, say, five or six players to declare early for the draft, does that up our signing numbers by the same amount?

Good question, I do not believe so. I believe you have only 30 slots before you grey shirt players. Don't quote me on that one though.


3. Why are there no commitments for running backs yet? Has no one tried to sign anyone yet or just none have been
recruited by Dooley yet? We nmeed a Jamal Lewis, Yeldon type back.
It looks like we are targeting a big fish. A lot of them have not declared yet. It's ok right now that we don't have a commit from one.
 
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Woulard is actually the type QB that Jones wants for his system and this being so there is no reason not to recruit him no matter who we have.
As far as RB our two backs averaged 5 yards per carry and rushed for 1365 yards so they were not the problem and both are back next season. So were in very good hands with Lane and Neal next season I expect both will be bigger and stronger. As far as recruiting always only a few backs with Jamal Lewis talent and Jones may have got here to late in the game to get that type back this season. I think he will get some great backs here. Right now one of my least concerns on our team is RB as our two guys just need carries they proved they can produce. I think Lane is gonna be one of the three best backs in the SEC next season. His sophomore numbers a tremendous just not enough carries.
 
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1. Also add, even though we have Peterman most schools will always take a qb every year.

2. Look for about 25 commits.

3. We will have at least one before the signing day. Hard to get a kid to commit early when dd was on the hotseat.

Yeah but Woulard and Ferguson are same class right? Don't know much about Woulard. Been out of the loop. If true would be 2 that year
 
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Yeah but Woulard and Ferguson are same class right? Don't know much about Woulard. Been out of the loop. If true would be 2 that year


They probably have different styles/abilities. It isn't against the law or anything to take two.

If Bray is gone and Worley doesn't really fit the system (speculation on my part), then that leave 3 QB's if we get both. I think you need at least that many, whether some are the same class or not.
 
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Yeah but Woulard and Ferguson are same class right? Don't know much about Woulard. Been out of the loop. If true would be 2 that year

I watched his (Woulards) You Tube video today. He has a very good quick release arm. He was throwing to a very big receiver with great hands. Thought he would have been much faster that what I saw with all the stars and hype.
 
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It think there is some type of loop hole in that whole 25 scholly thing cause TAMU has almost 30 commits
 
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Over-signing:

Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time. This doesn't stop teams from signing more than their allotment of players.

Teams over-sign for a variety of reasons. Some players will not qualify academically and will never step foot onto campus. Some coaches were not able to sign 25 prospects the year before and are trying to make up for it. Other schools are trying to add depth to their teams in years where there is a large number of quality recruits.

Regardless of reason, here is how oversigning works:

A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.
or

Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.
Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon.

These additional players do indirectly affect a team's recruiting class ranking. While not all players are counted toward the ranking, the weaker prospects are hidden by the stronger ones. This can give an inaccurate representation of the overall quality of a class.

Even teams that are not oversigned encourage players to enroll early if their are scholarships available.

Not only does it give those players the opportunity to get a head start on the system, conditioning, college experience, but any player that enrolls in December will not count towards a teams 25 annual scholarships. Technically, scholarships for early entries belong to the previous year's class.

This allows teams to get a maximum on how many players they can over-sign the next year.

Grey-shirting:

While most people are familiar with the phrase "red-shirt" most people have no idea what a grey-shirt is. In fact, the NCAA does not even acknowledge the term. In a way, grey-shirting is like the U.S. Army's Delta Force—everyone knows it's their, but the governing body doesn't acknowledge it's existance.

Here is how grey-shirting works:

A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.
In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.
Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students.

Conclusion:

These are important things to consider as far as a team's future is concerned. Large classes can sway the rankings, but they may be able to create additional, unplanned depth. When looking at your favorite team's recruiting class ranking, it is important to factor these things in.

College Football Recruiting Part III: Oversigning and Greyshirts | Bleacher Report
 
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They probably have different styles/abilities. It isn't against the law or anything to take two.

If Bray is gone and Worley doesn't really fit the system (speculation on my part), then that leave 3 QB's if we get both. I think you need at least that many, whether some are the same class or not.

This is the same system Worley played in HS that won him player of the year...
 
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They probably have different styles/abilities. It isn't against the law or anything to take two.

If Bray is gone and Worley doesn't really fit the system (speculation on my part), then that leave 3 QB's if we get both. I think you need at least that many, whether some are the same class or not.

Yeah, wasn't implying it was illegal or anything. We had Banks/Ainge etc. Wondered if Ferguson still comes if get Woulard. Ferguson seems to be solid so far to us though. Just wonder if he is told he is or is not a fit if another comes and we use slot for someone else.

Not saying we should. Competition between two good QBs (if they are) is a good thing early on. Not necessarily two QBs still fighting it out later in careers or two QB system though
 
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