Some facts to chew on...

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by volinbham@Sep 20, 2005 2:23 PM
Let's go back to the premise.  Our offensive SYSTEM under RS and PF is not as effective as that of UF (or many other programs).

Wuerffel got starts because the other QB's on the teams were awful as well.  If you don't think Wuerffel got more looks and more chances due to 1) coming from a Spurrier offense and 2) the hype from the Heisman you are not in touch with reality.  The NFL is a business - they "invested" in Wuerffel and he got "starts" in hopes of gaining a return on the investment.  He was a less risky investment due to the points listed above. 

Is there any doubt that Peyton is a better QB than Wuerffel?  They put up very similar numbers.  So if Wuerffel (the less talented QB) was at UT would he put up the same numbers?  I say no.  We didn't run the type of offense that would create the same opportunities.

Having the most 2nd place Heisman's (3?) is completely unrelated to the chance that Wuerffel would be 2nd place at UT as well.  They are completely independent events.  Chances are much greater that he wouldn't be second.  As a statistical guru, you should know that 

Spurrier and UF produced/had many QB's that could pick us a apart.  Even the 2 headed monster of Palmer and Johnson picked us apart in the 98 game.  The 5 turnovers we caused allowed us to get to overtime.  Johnson, Matthews had time in the NFL.  Grossman (another one that picked us apart) is there now and predictably sucking.  Again, they were drafted and invested in because they showed productivity in college.  The SYSTEM at UF gave them opportunities.  Our SYSTEM has been less effective.  Reading defenses can be coached (by some coaches).

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Who is supposed to coach qb's to do that????

 

[hitandrun]

Originally posted by bamaman@Sep 20, 2005 10:40 AM
no bragging at all just stating fact, and as i recall before we were on probabtion you guys beat us once in 10 or 11 years

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yep, it's amazing what kind of talent you can buy, and then go beat up on someone for 10 years.

hence, the subsequent probation. bama will never, ever, ever return to the glory days they keep hanging on to, because the NCAA's so far up bama's arse that they can't buy players like ol' bear used to.

 

[bamaman]

Originally posted by hitandrun@Sep 20, 2005 3:48 PM
yep, it's amazing what kind of talent you can buy, and then go beat up on someone for 10 years.

hence, the subsequent probation.  bama will never, ever, ever return to the glory days they keep hanging on to, because the NCAA's so far up bama's arse that they can't buy players like ol' bear used to.

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wait until the 22nd, oh yeah ut has the best players money can buy

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by bamaman@Sep 20, 2005 3:57 PM
wait until the 22nd, oh yeah ut has the best players money can buy

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Bman, you of all people should understand our ineptitude on offense. You have been suffering with the shorts for about 10 years now.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by volinbham@Sep 20, 2005 2:23 PM
Let's go back to the premise.  Our offensive SYSTEM under RS and PF is not as effective as that of UF (or many other programs).

Wuerffel got starts because the other QB's on the teams were awful as well.  If you don't think Wuerffel got more looks and more chances due to 1) coming from a Spurrier offense and 2) the hype from the Heisman you are not in touch with reality.  The NFL is a business - they "invested" in Wuerffel and he got "starts" in hopes of gaining a return on the investment.  He was a less risky investment due to the points listed above. 

Is there any doubt that Peyton is a better QB than Wuerffel?  They put up very similar numbers.  So if Wuerffel (the less talented QB) was at UT would he put up the same numbers?  I say no.  We didn't run the type of offense that would create the same opportunities.

Having the most 2nd place Heisman's (3?) is completely unrelated to the chance that Wuerffel would be 2nd place at UT as well.  They are completely independent events.  Chances are much greater that he wouldn't be second.  As a statistical guru, you should know that 

Spurrier and UF produced/had many QB's that could pick us a apart.  Even the 2 headed monster of Palmer and Johnson picked us apart in the 98 game.  The 5 turnovers we caused allowed us to get to overtime.  Johnson, Matthews had time in the NFL.  Grossman (another one that picked us apart) is there now and predictably sucking.  Again, they were drafted and invested in because they showed productivity in college.  The SYSTEM at UF gave them opportunities.  Our SYSTEM has been less effective.  Reading defenses can be coached (by some coaches).

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You have some valid points. However, if a player is not talented enough to play in the NFL, they don't ..... example Gino Torreta.

No matter how it is twisted, Casey Clausen is no where near as talented as Wuerffel. It does not have to be justified, its just the truth. The argument that because Clausen did not win the Heisman, therefore we must fire the OC is ridiculous.

Clausen was very productive in college. His stats were much better than Palmer and Johnson. So I don't see that as being relavant to why Clausen can't even start a game in NFL-Europe. Face it, Clausen overachieved in college based upon his talent level. He was not even the Vols first choice, as they thought Chris Simms would the next "Manning."