So, assuming Franklin's gone.......

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fade route said:
Great post, but it's useless. Poster's personal hatred for Franklin and Vandy clouds their judgement and objectivity regarding his ability to coach.
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Fade, what exactly has Franklin done that shows him to be a great coach? I'm not saying that he can't coach, but I've not seen signs he's a great coach. I'll admit I dislike Franklin, but I can also be objective when it comes to looking at his coaching ability. Yes, he's taken a crappy team like Vandy to heights they've never seen before(which let's be honest, isn't very high up the mountain so some of us are understandably laughing), but he's also done it during a time period when the SEC east has been in shambles. We were not good this year. The gators were not good this year. UGA was riddled with injuries. The Cocks didn't have a bad year, but there were definately signs that Spurrier's time there is getting close to done. KY sucked like normal. That leaves Mizzou (surprise team of the year imo) who beat them in Nashville by what? 23 points? So yeah, he coached Vandy to a winning record and a bowl game victory this year to which I begrudgingly say "good job", but that doesn't make him the next General Neyland, Bear Bryant, or even Little Nicky. So instead of saying others aren't looking at it objectively, look in the mirror and realize you may be giving him just a little too much credit in your arguement that he's not a bad coach.

And if other posters can't concede he's not a bad coach, then they're a bunch of ostriches. He's certainly no Dooley. Dooley was a bad coach. But if you want people to sing Franklin's praises, he still has a ways to go to earn that. And your comparing him to Fulmer is ludicrous. There were probably some years Fulmer did benefit from a weak SEC, but the man also has a NC on his resume. When Fulmer was clicking on all cylinders, he was a great coach. He just reached the point where, like all great coaches, he began to decline. And ultimately, and yes, some will disagree, his inability to recognize this and let go led us down the road that brought us to where we are.
 
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Weezer said:
Fade, what exactly has Franklin done that shows him to be a great coach? I'm not saying that he can't coach, but I've not seen signs he's a great coach. I'll admit I dislike Franklin, but I can also be objective when it comes to looking at his coaching ability. Yes, he's taken a crappy team like Vandy to heights they've never seen before(which let's be honest, isn't very high up the mountain so some of us are understandably laughing), but he's also done it during a time period when the SEC east has been in shambles. We were not good this year. The gators were not good this year. UGA was riddled with injuries. The Cocks didn't have a bad year, but there were definately signs that Spurrier's time there is getting close to done. KY sucked like normal. That leaves Mizzou (surprise team of the year imo) who beat them in Nashville by what? 23 points? So yeah, he coached Vandy to a winning record and a bowl game victory this year to which I begrudgingly say "good job", but that doesn't make him the next General Neyland, Bear Bryant, or even Little Nicky. So instead of saying others aren't looking at it objectively, look in the mirror and realize you may be giving him just a little too much credit in your arguement that he's not a bad coach.

And if other posters can't concede he's not a bad coach, then they're a bunch of ostriches. He's certainly no Dooley. Dooley was a bad coach. But if you want people to sing Franklin's praises, he still has a ways to go to earn that. And your comparing him to Fulmer is ludicrous. There were probably some years Fulmer did benefit from a weak SEC, but the man also has a NC on his resume. When Fulmer was clicking on all cylinders, he was a great coach. He just reached the point where, like all great coaches, he began to decline. And ultimately, and yes, some will disagree, his inability to recognize this and let go led us down the road that brought us to where we are.
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Just to clarify, I went back through all my posts and at no time did I comment on JF's coaching ability, I did comment about the other poster gushing over how wonderful JF and Vandy was. The point I was making was that I hate Vandy football and everything associated with it. It did disturb me that someone or anyone would get on a Vol board and perform the love-in with JF and Vandy. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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fade route said:
oldfartvol said:
Because it's objective and not based on emotion? I mean, I don't hear Butch's name being mentioned with the Penn St and Miami openings. Do you?
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Comparing apples to oranges. Why would Jones be mentioned after one year with another's recruits facing one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA? We will see who is better in a few years. Who are you so proud that Vandy has beaten? Tenn., Fla. and Ga. were all very sub-par this last season.
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