SI Piece on Coach Martin

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Define hammered? Lose scholly, post season ban? I don't see TN getting hammered in that way. maybe a scholly or 2.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Cuonzo Martin, Billy Gillispie headline moves - Seth Davis - SI.com

I know most of you hate Seth Davis, but he lays it out well.
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Got to give the Duke grads credit for coming to each other's defense. Jeff Capel, but for the presence of local product Blake Griffin, was an abysmal failure at OU. Further, he's not a good guy. Think Tommy Amaker without the humility. So, according to Davis, Joe Castiglione was supposed to risk the 'AA nuking the entire athletic department to keep a coach whose only success was built on a player that would have gone to OU regardless of whether Jeff Capel, Kelvin Sampson, Jeff Foxworthy, or O.J. Simpson was the basketball coach. Brilliant idea.
 
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Yes, the NCAA is going to hammer us, even though we fired the problem, and it didn't lead to ANY ADVANTAGE in wins or recruiting...

Brilliant logic.
 
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As much as I want to believe that Cuonzo is the smartest hire of the year, I still question how Hammy couldn't make it into the Top 2 of Worst AD's for his stellar performance over the past year.
 
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I don't see us making the NCAA next year anyway, so a postseason ban wouldn't upset me too much.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Got to give the Duke grads credit for coming to each other's defense. Jeff Capel, but for the presence of local product Blake Griffin, was an abysmal failure at OU. Further, he's not a good guy. Think Tommy Amaker without the humility. So, according to Davis, Joe Castiglione was supposed to risk the 'AA nuking the entire athletic department to keep a coach whose only success was built on a player that would have gone to OU regardless of whether Jeff Capel, Kelvin Sampson, Jeff Foxworthy, or O.J. Simpson was the basketball coach. Brilliant idea.
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I thought you had lost your mind until I reread this and noticed I hadn't read page 2.
 
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Finally, he is a man of high character, which was revealed through his successful battle with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma.
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Why does the media always assign "high character" for individuals that have "successfully battled" cancer? What does that have to do with character? Do individuals who succumb quickly to cancer and die have character flaws?
 
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therealUT said:
Why does the media always assign "high character" for individuals that have "successfully battled" cancer? What does that have to do with character? Do individuals who succumb quickly to cancer and die have character flaws?
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actually yes....a bad attitude hurts the immune system....and a bad character tends to screw around with treatment
 
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A winner? We already had a winner, but the sporting press couldn't stand that we had a winner in Bruce Pearl, so they wouldn't shut up until UT got rid of him. The media are only happy when KY and FL are dominating the SEC East. Don't buy any of Davis's shinola about a "winner".
 
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The most brilliant thing he says about us:

"The Tennessee fans who are wailing that Hamilton didn't land a "big" name are living in an alternate universe. No big name is going to take a job at a program that is about to be hammered by the NCAA.
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I still hate Hammy, but I agree 110% with this statement.
 
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I'm not sure what "hamered" means, but I simply do not see this turing into the second coming of SMU-type sanctions for the hoops program. We got rid of the problem and the NCAA has not cited UT's compliance department or the school for lack of institutional control.

Anyway, I guess it will all play out in the summer following the hearing before the NCAA Committee on Infractions.

Finally, some good pub from someone in the national media for the hoops program.
 
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therealUT said:
Why does the media always assign "high character" for individuals that have "successfully battled" cancer? What does that have to do with character? Do individuals who succumb quickly to cancer and die have character flaws?
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I'd say a successful bout with cancer with develop character, as it seems that most people who do survive have a different outlook on life after it.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
I'd say a successful bout with cancer with develop character, as it seems that most people who do survive have a different outlook on life after it.
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Most people who survive and have stories written about their experience have a different outlook on life after cancer.

Lance Armstrong beat cancer and then left his wife. John McCain lived through hell at the Hanoi Hilton; his wife waited patiently for him; he left her.

I am not so convinced that all these automatically experiences build character.
 
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So what he is saying is guys with bad character can't beat cancer? That makes a lot of sense.
 
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therealUT said:
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm or pure, unadulterated ignorance.
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If you don't believe in the strength of the mind, that's your call. If you don't think it takes strong will and fight, which would be assets of a person with character, to beat the disease, you are the ignorant one. Questioning someones character because they divorced is flat out stupidity.
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pl3 said:
If you don't believe in the strength of the mind, that's your call. If you don't think it takes strong will and fight, which would be assets of a person with character, to beat the disease, you are the ignorant one. Questioning someones character because they divorced is flat out stupidity.
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There are plenty of people with strong will and fight who would not qualify as having upstanding character in my book.

Fighting to save one's own life is not exactly a supreme virtue.
 
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therealUT said:
There are plenty of people with strong will and fight who would not qualify as having upstanding character in my book.

Fighting to save one's own life is not exactly a supreme virtue.
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Pretty shallow. I'm sure your vast experience in dealing with cancer patients, their families and dealings with the reality of death molded that opinion. Fighting to save your life, when the easiest thing to do is give up, is a fantasticly surpreme virtue.
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pl3 said:
Pretty shallow. I'm sure your vast experience in dealing with cancer patients, their families and dealings with the reality of death molded that opinion. Fighting to save your life, when the easiest thing to do is give up, is a fantasticly surpreme virtue.
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I am shallow because I do not automatically state that someone is a person of character simply because they survived cancer or a disease?

That makes a lot of sense.

Fighting to save your own life is selfish; while doing so, may not cause harm to others, and is therefore, IMO, virtue neutral, I see no fundamental difference in someone fighting to save their life and someone working to put a roof over their head and food on their table.
 
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therealUT said:
I am shallow because I do not automatically state that someone is a person of character simply because they survived cancer or a disease?

That makes a lot of sense.

Fighting to save your own life is selfish; while doing so, may not cause harm to others, and is therefore, IMO, virtue neutral, I see no fundamental difference in someone fighting to save their life and someone working to put a roof over their head and food on their table.
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Shallow because of your backwards ass outlook that you just reiterated. Battling cancer is no different than providing food and shelter? Are you serious?
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pl3 said:
Shallow because of your backwards ass outlook that you just reiterated. Battling cancer is no different than providing food and shelter? Are you serious?
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Dead serious.
 
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