SI Article Ripping Brian Kelly

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This is an interesting article. I have no opinion on its accuracy, but worth a read.

Brian Kelly Didn't Win At Notre Dame Because of Brian Kelly

The TL;DR version of it is that the author faults Brian Kelly for not winning any big games and says most of his success came from having good assistants, good players, and a weak schedule. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Certainly, if a weak schedule was part of the reason for ND's success under Kelly, he's not going to find that at LSU. But again ... I have no idea if this article is accurate or just "butt-hurt" from a Notre Dame fan. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

The one thing, though, that does stick out to me: the idea that Notre Dame can't win national titles (often pushed by Brian Kelly) seems completely bogus. Sure, LSU has the biggest recruiting advantage in the nation, but there's no reason you can't win national titles at Notre Dame. Indeed, it's easier to win at Notre Dame than it is at Clemson and arguably, 'Bama (peoples' sense of Bama's natural strengths are greatly distorted due to Saban being an all-time great coach).
 
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"Sure, LSU has the biggest recruiting advantage in the nation".


What, LOL....ever hear of Alabama, Ohio State, or Georgia? ND and LSU are about the same according to 247 and many other recruiting services.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
This is an interesting article. I have no opinion on its accuracy, but worth a read.

Brian Kelly Didn't Win At Notre Dame Because of Brian Kelly

The TL;DR version of it is that the author faults Brian Kelly for not winning any big games and says most of his success came from having good assistants, good players, and a weak schedule. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Certainly, if a weak schedule was part of the reason for ND's success under Kelly, he's not going to find that at LSU. But again ... I have no idea if this article is accurate or just "butt-hurt" from a Notre Dame fan. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

The one thing, though, that does stick out to me: the idea that Notre Dame can't win national titles (often pushed by Brian Kelly) seems completely bogus. Sure, LSU has the biggest recruiting advantage in the nation, but there's no reason you can't win national titles at Notre Dame. Indeed, it's easier to win at Notre Dame than it is at Clemson and arguably, 'Bama (peoples' sense of Bama's natural strengths are greatly distorted due to Saban being an all-time great coach).
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A few things:

1. It’s a Notre Dame website, so I’m not surprised that the author is critical of Kelly.
2. He had good players and good assistants? I’m completely shocked at this revelation. Here I thought that you could be highly successful with average players and a poor coaching staff.
3. Kelly has been successful everywhere that he has been. Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, Cincinnati, and Notre Dame. Something tells me that he’s a good coach.
4. I completely disagree that it’s easier to win at ND than it is at Alabama or Clemson. ND has a smaller pool of recruits because of their arcane academic requirements. Also, while ND spends a lot on football, they’re not in the same league as far as Bama or Clemson in that regard.
 
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orange blossom said:
"Sure, LSU has the biggest recruiting advantage in the nation".


What, LOL....ever hear of Alabama, Ohio State, or Georgia? ND and LSU are about the same according to 247 and many other recruiting services.
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UGA, by far, has the biggest recruiting advantage in the country. It’s one of the reasons that I think you could make the argument that it’s the best job in the country.
 
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Very good article....... I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head. ND does have a disadvantage in recruiting in that they have high academic standards, but, they have, and probably will continue to recruit nationally, especially catholic schools, who highly esteem them. Kelly does come across as an arrogant and pompous a$$ and he does have a problem against teams with equal talent.

Will he win big at LSU?? Not without the right assistants.
 
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orange blossom said:
What, LOL....ever hear of Alabama, Ohio State, or Georgia? ND and LSU are about the same according to 247 and many other recruiting services.
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Ever look at any statistics on how much blue-chip talent is in Louisiana and how LSU can take their pick of it w/ virtually no competition? No other school has as immense of an advantage as LSU. Not to mention arguably the best atmosphere in the country and one of the most difficult places to play in CFB.

LSU is the easiest job in the country. So easy that even that big goof Orgeron won a national title there; for context, he went 10-25 at Ole MIss.

Georgia is 2nd easiest job. Not far behind LSU. More talent in Georgia than Louisiana, but also more competition for it.

Alabama is similar to us recruiting. The difference is they have the greatest recruiter in college football history as a Head Coach.
 
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I'll go with LSU. Their last three coaches have all won National Championships there and in any given year Louisiana has more players per capita in the NFL. Lock down the Louisiana borders and cherry pick other states when needed (East and Southeast Texas) and a ring is very very possible.
 
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Don’t like the man, but there are a number of HC’s who DIDN’T win at Notre Dame with all the same factors in play.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
When in the last time Notre Dame/Brian Kelly had a big time QB? Or put one in the League?
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Ian Book was drafted by NO last year. Was forced into starting their COVID game. It didn’t go well, but that was a given based on the situation
 
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Ian Book was drafted by NO last year. Was forced into starting their COVID game. It didn’t go well, but that was a given based on the situation
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I watched that game. It did not go well is an understatement. I guess I meant, have they had anyone good be drafted at that position recently?
 
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UGA, by far, has the biggest recruiting advantage in the country. It’s one of the reasons that I think you could make the argument that it’s the best job in the country.
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I've thought for a long time that the most dominant SEC program historically should be UGA and not Alabama. The difference between those programs over the decades has been coaching and, at times, commitment to winning. Overall, Alabama has had more of that than UGA over the years.
 
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orange blossom said:
Very good article....... I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head. ND does have a disadvantage in recruiting in that they have high academic standards, but, they have, and probably will continue to recruit nationally, especially catholic schools, who highly esteem them. Kelly does come across as an arrogant and pompous a$$ and he does have a problem against teams with equal talent.

Will he win big at LSU?? Not without the right assistants.
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Even Stanford has a different set of academic admissions for athletes verses their general student admissions. Same for the military academies and the Ivy league schools. Are you saying ND doesn’t give preferential admission to recruited athletes? I find that hard to believe.
 
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I am really torn on this one-
On one hand, I absolutely hate ND and think Brian Kelly is an arrogant blowhard.

On the other hand, this seems like a hit piece by a scorned lover. If ND was gearing up for another season with Kelly at the helm, would the author be complaining-doubtful.

I also think it would be wise to hold off on the praise for their new coach until he, you know actually coaches a game. Everyone wants their teams new HC to be successful, but reality is that 90% of them get fired in under 5 years.
 
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I've thought for a long time that the most dominant SEC program historically should be UGA and not Alabama. The difference between those programs over the decades has been coaching and, at times, commitment to winning. Overall, Alabama has had more of that than UGA over the years.
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The reputation of their university took a major hit in the 80's with the Jan Kemp revelations and subsequent litigation. They deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the aftermath and therefore, mostly struggled in the 90's.

They have never been dominant, however. You are giving them more respect than their history deserves.
 
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walkenvol said:
Even Stanford has a different set of academic admissions for athletes verses their general student admissions. Same for the military academies and the Ivy league schools. Are you saying ND doesn’t give preferential admission to recruited athletes? I find that hard to believe.
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ND doesn't accept junior college transfers.... that is one of many things which will be different at LSU.
 
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This is ND homer butt hurt. After Holtz left, Notre Dame was mediocre for a long time under multiple coaches before Kelly got there and played for a national championship in his 3rd year. Then here in the last 5 years or so they are consistently one of the better non-SEC teams, 54-10 since 2017. If he was just a CEO type coach, he was a good one.
 
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The reputation of their university took a major hit in the 80's with the Jan Kemp revelations and subsequent litigation. They deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the aftermath and therefore, mostly struggled in the 90's.

They have never been dominant, however. You are giving them more respect than their history deserves.
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Unfortunately, UGA is one of the more consistent winners in CFB in the modern era. That's why it was so laughable that they went 40 something years without winning a natty. I saw the other day that they have the 4th most wins of any CFB team in the nation since the SEC was founded in 1933. There are 3 current SEC teams in the top 10 over that period: Bama is 2nd, we are 9th. That's pretty good by any measure. I mean we are 3 wins ahead of them all-time and I think we'd all agree our history is pretty good. Even in the 90's it wasn't so much that they were bad as it was that we were just really elite (and so was Florida) at that time so we whipped their arse on the regular. Our record in the years after Dooley retired but before Richt came was 118-27-2. UGA was 86-53-1 in that time period. That's much worse than we were in the 90's but better than the 80-81 we have been since Fulmer was fired.
 
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Unfortunately, UGA is one of the more consistent winners in CFB in the modern era. That's why it was so laughable that they went 40 something years without winning a natty. I saw the other day that they have the 4th most wins of any CFB team in the nation since the SEC was founded in 1933. There are 3 current SEC teams in the top 10 over that period: Bama is 2nd, we are 9th. That's pretty good by any measure. I mean we are 3 wins ahead of them all-time and I think we'd all agree our history is pretty good. Even in the 90's it wasn't so much that they were bad as it was that we were just really elite (and so was Florida) at that time so we whipped their arse on the regular. Our record in the years after Dooley retired but before Richt came was 118-27-2. UGA was 86-53-1 in that time period. That's much worse than we were in the 90's but better than the 80-81 we have been since Fulmer was fired.
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I guess that's a nice post, but my point still holds. They have never been dominant. In my opinion, the Herschel Walker era was tainted by the systemic academic impropriety which Jan Kemp revealed. Taking those 3 years away doesn't leave much to talk about from 1970-2000.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I guess that's a nice post, but my point still holds. They have never been dominant. In my opinion, the Herschel Walker era was tainted by the systemic academic impropriety which Jan Kemp revealed. Taking those 3 years away doesn't leave much to talk about from 1970-2000.
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Jan Kemp definitely should have got alot of Christmas cards from UT fans, we need that kind of thing to happen to Bama and UGA again. If you take away 1980-83 when UGA went 43-4-1, they weren't dominant during that 1970-2000 span, just alot of 8 win type seasons, and 1 other SEC championship and a handful of top 10's. While we are taking away stuff we should take away Saban's championships from Bama too, they are definitely tainted by cheating, whether it's technically proven or not, and without them they have only one natty since 1979 (and Bama was cheating then too).
 
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States with the most NFL players as of 2020....... Probably hasn't changed much over one year.

1. Florida -194

2 Texas - 192

3. California - 170

4. Georgia - 134

5. Ohio - 71

6.Alabama - 60

7. Pennsylvania - 60

8. Louisiana - 59

All of the top kids in Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana, and most of the time Georgia ( not always since there are so many blue chips) get the top talent....... The other states have to fight off the competition.
 
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