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Volunteer08

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Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
 
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Uhh yeah. I also saw injuries at every position and a first year coordinator piecing together a depleted roster.
 
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He got the benefit of the doubt last year, post injury epidemic. Truth is, we weren't very good even before injuries.

We've also been fed, ad nauseum, that his scheme has complicated language. BS, I say. Another excuse.

I'm hoping for a grand turnaround, but to this point I've seen garbage, and that's being kind. Just being honest.

Now, time to get this thing going on D, Shoop. Please?
 
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I agree with giving him a look with "normal" competition. GT has a treacherous, morphing offense, and will give any team fits. Especially when the defense is kept on the field for 3/4's of the game. Those stolen footballs weren't accidents. That's why the crazy trashcan was on the sidelines. It must have been used as a motivator during practice. Georgia vs GT will be verrry interesting! That said, I was very impressed with Tech's speed and execution.

I want to see us play IS and Florida before I move my chair near the precipice.
 
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Shoop's D got manhandled by Appy St and Ohio before a majority of our injuries occurred. Hell, VA Tech went up and down the field on us. Their five turnovers were the difference. If we watch FLA's anemic offense run all over us in two weeks, then the jury is in.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
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His "D" has given up over 600 yards per game over the past 6 games.....yeah, I said 600. Anyone want a stab at sugarcoating this? Have at it.
 
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It's time for Shoop to show us something or he may cost Butch his job. I would give him until UF to get the D fixed. He gets paid way too much money to set so many records for other teams.
 
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Shoop has historically proven himself a quality DC. There were rumors of defensive staff being disagreeable and unsupportive last year. There were definitely injury issues last year. GaTech isn't the best indicator of what the D will be this year.

Everyone needs to relax, wait, and see what happens this year.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
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No.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Shoop has historically proven himself a quality DC. There were rumors of defensive staff being disagreeable and unsupportive last year. There were definitely injury issues last year. GaTech isn't the best indicator of what the D will be this year.

Everyone needs to relax, wait, and see what happens this year.
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I have been supportive of Shoop since the beginning, but this is becoming a trend with him. He had a whole offseason to prepare for GT and that was the best defense he could provide us? Serious red flag guys.
 
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really..after the 1dt game of the season and you are ready to fire someone..lets see after the next 2 weeks first..GT is not a good barometer for assessing our defense...they will run over a lot of people...come on and give this team a chance..GBO
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
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He have seen it, it wasnt good then either
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
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if ur in Fort Laudy like me, lets just focus on this hurricane, fak what his defense does...... (but i am not calling for him to be fired or anything, just dont care after one game with that odd style Offense, we wont face again)
 
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jctenn1 said:
really..after the 1dt game of the season and you are ready to fire someone..lets see after the next 2 weeks first..GT is not a good barometer for assessing our defense...they will run over a lot of people...come on and give this team a chance..GBO
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Totally agree that GT is not the best barometer, but it is pretty damn worrisome when records are broken against this D repeatedly. I can't remember them specifically from last season, but we were historically awful and I'm sadly not expecting things to be all that different.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
Totally agree that GT is not the best barometer, but it is pretty damn worrisome when records are broken against this D repeatedly. I can't remember them specifically from last season, but we were historically awful and I'm sadly not expecting things to be all that different.
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But shouldnt we compare what we did against GT to what past teams have done against them as a gauge of where our did might be?

Just a heads up, i did that yesterday and the results are not good. Shocking i know.
 
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wesleydmartin said:
if ur in Fort Laudy like me, lets just focus on this hurricane, fak what his defense does...... (but i am not calling for him to be fired or anything, just dont care after one game with that odd style Offense, we wont face again)
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Best of luck to you. Looks like its gonna be rough.
 
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Florida has a terrible offense he should be able to hold them to at least 24 points and 400 yards we'll see what actually happens.
 
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volfannbama said:
Didnt we say the same 2 of the last 3 years?
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Yes and I am not optimistic that our defense can hold them but at least it should prove a point about Big gain Bob because he has to produce some defense soon or be exposed for what he actually is.
 
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I went back and watched parts of the GT/UT game again. I have been curious why our defense looked very good early in that game and suddenly became very porous and susceptible to their rushing attack. Much has been made of our staying off the LOS more than usual. The 1st two offensive series we stopped was when we lined up as usual and not only that got we got LOS penetration. My observation is Johnson had his O crew move to counters and by pure speculation on my part our D team as a whole was told to play assignment football on D or sit down. Something changed and our defense from that point until the end of game saw a passive defense that almost got us beat. The GT QB literally was able to take a snap take one or two steps to either side, pause for a second, then do a 180 and run the play. Our defense would literally stand there while this was going on trying to figure where the play was going rather than just shooting a gap and smearing the guy. The last game winning defensive play found us returning to defensive penetration at the snap and once again we found success. Why we allowed them to keep the ball as long as they did behind the LOS without attacking those guys is byond me to understand, but it did not appear to be a mistake or that the GT OL was overwhelming us, it appeared to be part of our game plan executing what our coaches wanted. GT fumbled twice, kicked & missed 2 FGs one of which we blocked which lost them the game, their own mistakes beat them which MAY have been part of our game plan as well.
 
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Vol737 said:
Shoop's D got manhandled by Appy St and Ohio before a majority of our injuries occurred. Hell, VA Tech went up and down the field on us. Their five turnovers were the difference. If we watch FLA's anemic offense run all over us in two weeks, then the jury is in.
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Wasn't that Shoops D that caused the 5 turnovers?
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Can we please see what his defense looks like against SEC opponents before calling for his removal and saying he'll cost Butch his job?

GT not only runs a smooth triple option, but they had a great athlete at the helm complicating matters.

I'm with you guys if it continues, but it's wayyy too premature to be discussed so thoroughly at this point. It's wreckless.
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Thats right, this was an improvement over the yardage given up to Vanderbilt.
 
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volfannbama said:
But shouldnt we compare what we did against GT to what past teams have done against them as a gauge of where our did might be?

Just a heads up, i did that yesterday and the results are not good. Shocking i know.
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Not good for the Vols? Yeah, I would agree as well. Is this what you are referring to?

GT rushing yds last yr in a few games:

Vandy....289 yds
Clemson...95 yds
Miami...267 yds
VT ......309 YDS
UGA....226 YDS
UK......266 YDS


UT.....530+YDS
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The problem is its kind of a trend at this point.

In 2015... the Vols only had one game where an opponent passed or ran for over 300 yards in a game. That was the first game of the year against Bowling Green which was 424 yards passing.

Now in 2016... the Vols had 5 games where a team either ran or passed for over 300 yards.... Missouri had over 300 passing and running.

Texas AM 353r 239p 592t 45pts
Alabama 409r 185p 594t 49pts
S.C. 167r 158p 325t 24pts
Tenn Tech 164p 60r 224t 0pts
Kentucky 192p 443r 635t 36pts
Missouri 329p 420r 749t 37pts
Vandy 416p 192r 608t 45pts
Nebraska 257p 61r 318t 24pts

Now for 2017 you have
Georgia Tech 120p 535r 655t 41pts

Since the Georgia game last year the Vols are averaging on Defense:
522 total yards per game
293 yards rushing per game

Now if we use last years end of year stats as a guide for ranking.... the vols would #127 out of 128 in total defense and #127 out of 128 in rush defense over their last 9 games.

Is there defense problem, probably. The wheels appear to me to have fallen off the bus after the Georgia game last year, up to that point everything appeared to be good. Since the Georgia game... the Vols are allowing 39.3 points per contest in the SEC. The chances of Georgia Tech as being a one game fluke as slim, as I don't the data supports that conclusion.


*Posted this in another thread
 
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