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volnal

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My question to vol nation is simple. If Shoop doesn't take a head coaching position, does Butch allow him to hire his staff on defense? The reason why I ask this is, I remember him saying we won't be run on. I think this, Shoop needs more input on his coaches, his idea of players you want to recruit on D, and he's held totally accountable for his defense year two.

We need to give Shoop the keys to the kingdom instead of sitting in a room for 12 hours and agreeing to keep coaches on to not rock the boat and lose 2 decent recruiters. Time for coach jones to change his mind set. And from the comments from Shoop about the strength coach, give him full reign to be part of the hiring process. 2017 is make it or break it, and if Shoop stays, then give him the keys. Thoughts?????
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Shoop is not going to be offered a HC job after this season.
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When you look at all the factors, Injuries, not his staff, and his past record, YES he is a HC candidate. Really? The man can coach, and if you judge his last 3 games and conclude he's not a head coach candidate then you sir need to watch football. Not trying to be ugly but the man has the resume to be a HC.
 
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volnal said:
When you look at all the factors, Injuries, not his staff, and his past record, YES he is a HC candidate. Really? The man can coach, and if you judge his last 3 games and conclude he's not a head coach candidate then you sir need to watch football. Not trying to be ugly but the man has the resume to be a HC.
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He's been a HC before and failed, doesn't mean he won't succeed again if given the chance but the guy has had an opportunity before.
 
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Yes, Shoop should be allowed to do what ever he wants with the defensive coaches. But he should be held accountable for next years defense after putting "His" coaches in place. We cannot be the worst defense in UT history any longer.
 
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volnal said:
When you look at all the factors, Injuries, not his staff, and his past record, YES he is a HC candidate. Really? The man can coach, and if you judge his last 3 games and conclude he's not a head coach candidate then you sir need to watch football. Not trying to be ugly but the man has the resume to be a HC.
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His defense didn't look good even when the roster was at full strength.

He's not a viscious recruiter either.
 
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volnal said:
My question to vol nation is simple. If Shoop doesn't take a head coaching position, does Butch allow him to hire his staff on defense? The reason why I ask this is, I remember him saying we won't be run on. I think this, Shoop needs more input on his coaches, his idea of players you want to recruit on D, and he's held totally accountable for his defense year two.

We need to give Shoop the keys to the kingdom instead of sitting in a room for 12 hours and agreeing to keep coaches on to not rock the boat and lose 2 decent recruiters. Time for coach jones to change his mind set. And from the comments from Shoop about the strength coach, give him full reign to be part of the hiring process. 2017 is make it or break it, and if Shoop stays, then give him the keys. Thoughts?????
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Have you considered it could be the injuries? Or that the type of players don't fit his style?

If these are the problems then they will self correct when players get well and adapt to what he wants to do.
 
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I thought I read that he wasn't allowed to use his terminology, that he had to switch his stuff to ours. I would think that if he runs a complex D scheme, which I think he does, then 1st year problems would be expected as everyone is trying to adjust to that. Probably the reason he had to simplify what they were doing, Injuries obviously inhibiting any real progress.
 
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There is no way Shoop gets a head coaching job next year, what has he done to deserve that type of promotion? I do agree we desperately need a new S&C coach. What makes you think Butch hasn't given him free rein on defense? The miscommunication on defense comes from late defensive calls from the booth to the sidelines onto the field. I can not tell you how many times players have not even been in place while the other team is running a play, it is ridiculous. In my opinion Shoop needs to get his butt out of the press box and down to the sidelines. I don't think our bad defense gives Shoop total license for anything yet, although as stated above he may already have it.
 
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eskimovol said:
I thought I read that he wasn't allowed to use his terminology, that he had to switch his stuff to ours. I would think that if he runs a complex D scheme, which I think he does, then 1st year problems would be expected as everyone is trying to adjust to that. Probably the reason he had to simplify what they were doing, Injuries obviously inhibiting any real progress.
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Taking bad angles, playing out of position and getting beat man to man are big problems on this defense. Not to mention the DB's who don't turn around and defend the long ball. He should be able to coach this.
 
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Roustabout said:
His defense didn't look good even when the roster was at full strength.

He's not a viscious recruiter either.
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The O didn't do them many favors, but the D wasn't that bad in first 3 games - not great in 1st qtr, but each opponent held under season averages yds & scoring in those games...JRM already gone basically and then CAM and DKJr. That's when it got interesting....and yet, his D shut down UF in the 2nd half.

Dude is a good coach...2nd half adjustments were amazing when he had talent and depth, which he's lost in some key areas.
 
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Shoop didn't recruit the players he has worked with. He didn't have a lot to do with their S&C or development. He has virtually no responsibility for the injuries that have occurred. That would be different if he'd been in power for 4 years.

Shoop inherited a D roster designed to play 4-2-5 as a base D. His success over the last 6 years has been by playing 4-3 on every down except obvious passing downs. He likes to use a hybrid WLB. Aside from that, the LB group he inherited was weak, thin, and poorly suited to play his scheme or style. DKJr is probably more of a Sam in Shoop's ideal scheme with a monster responsible for tackle to tackle at MLB.

All in all. I have 1000 times more confidence that Shoop can build a D and compete in the SEC than I do that Jones is an SEC caliber HC. Shoop has proven himself MUCH MORE.
 
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Thanks for the feedback good or not. It's all opinion based and the input is appreciated!!!!!!:rock:
 
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No way he leaves after the product he put on the field this year. He needs to prove that his system takes time to learn and certain players to run it.

I believe it will be much better next year, but he needs to hire coaches he trusts and come up with better game plans.
 
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sjt18 said:
All in all. I have 1000 times more confidence that Shoop can build a D and compete in the SEC than I do that Jones is an SEC caliber HC. Shoop has proven himself MUCH MORE.
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Franklin and Penn State seem to be ok without him. You sure he should get all the credit for their previous success?
 
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I don't understand this mindset I'm seeing towards Shoop. If I tell you to dig a 6 foot deep hole and give you shovel, and halfway through the shovel breaks and all I give you to replace it is a spoon, how well would that go? That may not be the perfect analogy, but the man has been given nothing to work with in the second half of the season. The offense really didn't come alive until the second half of the UF game, and looks a lot better with Hurd gone, which is partially why we were in so many close games. We are playing so many players out of their natural position who are outmatched often in size. When you are putting DEs and Offensive linemen in at DT, you know there is some SERIOUS desperation going on.

Shoop will do well if given time, and his track record proves it. We just need to figure out if all of these injuries really are just unfortunate, or if S&C is to blame.
 
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