Sherrer, Rumph, and Rocker

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My take is that we lost a lot when we lost those three on the defensive side. I don't know which one(s) of those three were doing the heavy coaching lifting, but it is clear that we miss them. We were a rapidly improving defense last year, especially in the second half. We have gone from lights out after half time adjustments to whatever the opposite of that is. I don't know why they left exactly, but if it was over recruiting then I don't like it. I'd rather see the 12th ranked recruiting class coached up than see a Top 5 class go to waste.

I also wonder if we're already missing Fitzgerald's S&C leadership. Did Sherrer pull him to the NYG job?

I haven't read everything here so siap.
 
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My take is that we lost a lot when we lost those three on the defensive side. I don't know which one(s) of those three were doing the heavy coaching lifting, but it is clear that we miss them. We were a rapidly improving defense last year, especially in the second half. We have gone from lights out after half time adjustments to whatever the opposite of that is. I don't know why they left exactly, but if it was over recruiting then I don't like it. I'd rather see the 12th ranked recruiting class coached up than see a Top 5 class go to waste.

I also wonder if we're already missing Fitzgerald's S&C leadership. Did Sherrer pull him to the NYG job?

I haven't read everything here so siap.

Absolutely agree

Rocker wasn't much of a recruiter but he was a far better DL coach than Brum. We lost a lot on the field with Pruitt forcing Rocker out.

We replaced Rumph and Sherrer with 2 guys that had never been an assistant at the P5 level. We moved Nieds to a new position on Defense.

This is pretty much the recipe for the decline in defensive performance....

Not as sure about S&C. We don't seem as strong as last year in the trenches but it looks like fundamentals declined on both lines. We haven't had a ton of injuries though, which shows S&C may not be a huge issue.
 
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My take is that we lost a lot when we lost those three on the defensive side. I don't know which one(s) of those three were doing the heavy coaching lifting, but it is clear that we miss them. We were a rapidly improving defense last year, especially in the second half. We have gone from lights out after half time adjustments to whatever the opposite of that is. I don't know why they left exactly, but if it was over recruiting then I don't like it. I'd rather see the 12th ranked recruiting class coached up than see a Top 5 class go to waste.

I also wonder if we're already missing Fitzgerald's S&C leadership. Did Sherrer pull him to the NYG job?

I haven't read everything here so siap.
I agree + we are missing some NFL players from last year as well.
 
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I definitely think we made some bargain bin hires in Brumbaugh and Felton. A DL coach should be a lights-out recruiter or an elite teacher that gets the most out of his group, and I didn’t see Brumbaugh as either. Felton, though seen by many as an up-and-comer, I feel he was at least 1-2 more jobs away from being the caliber of coach we need.

We’re paying the price of losing coaches so close to spring ball and rushing the hires. Idk why we didn’t at least interview coaches and take a few weeks while Pruitt and Ansley manage the additional coaching load they’re forced to do now.

Felton and Neids aren’t going anywhere and hopefully they improve their coaching chops with this “throwaway” season under their belts. I just hope Pruitt/Fulmer/whoever is curating a list of 10-12 DL coaches to interview THE DAY after the season’s over.
 
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My take is that we lost a lot when we lost those three on the defensive side. I don't know which one(s) of those three were doing the heavy coaching lifting, but it is clear that we miss them. We were a rapidly improving defense last year, especially in the second half. We have gone from lights out after half time adjustments to whatever the opposite of that is. I don't know why they left exactly, but if it was over recruiting then I don't like it. I'd rather see the 12th ranked recruiting class coached up than see a Top 5 class go to waste.

I also wonder if we're already missing Fitzgerald's S&C leadership. Did Sherrer pull him to the NYG job?

I haven't read everything here so siap.

Maybe, but the bigger losses from last season were Taylor, Warrior, and Bituli.

It’s always more about the Jimmies and Joes than the X’s and O’s.

Vols lack playmakers and leaders that set the standards with their hard-nose aggressive play!
 
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but if it was over recruiting then I don't like it. I'd rather see the 12th ranked recruiting class coached up than see a Top 5 class go to waste.

Good news! We’re about to have the 12th ranked recruiting class go to waste by lack of coaching. We’re not anywhere near a top 5 class.
 
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Pruitt has a mighty thin Rolodex. These 3 guys coached with him in the past. They leave and get replaced by a guy he fired after 4 games, a former Quality Control assistant, and his TE coach. Part of our problem is that these guys aren’t getting it done, and the word has gotten out that he is hard to work for. Good luck getting folks to join the sinking ship. If went down in 2012 and 2017.
 
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Recruiting man. It was a thing. 😏
Are you saying I had a problem with Rocker’s recruiting? Maybe, probably. Honestly don’t remember. Always was in agreement that he was a good coach though.
 
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Are you saying I had a problem with Rocker’s recruiting? Maybe, probably. Honestly don’t remember. Always was in agreement that he was a good coach though.
Anybody that conceivably struggled recruiting...big fan of Sherrer tho.
 
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Absolutely agree

Rocker wasn't much of a recruiter but he was a far better DL coach than Brum. We lost a lot on the field with Pruitt forcing Rocker out.

We replaced Rumph and Sherrer with 2 guys that had never been an assistant at the P5 level. We moved Nieds to a new position on Defense.

This is pretty much the recipe for the decline in defensive performance....

Not as sure about S&C. We don't seem as strong as last year in the trenches but it looks like fundamentals declined on both lines. We haven't had a ton of injuries though, which shows S&C may not be a huge issue.

S&C is the biggest gap. Happened overnight. Wrote this to my Pop. I will share we had a falling out... was nice to come back home and give the old man a hug... maybe this will register with some of you out there who are holding grudges... anyways... I will give you “it isn’t the S&C coaching change” people something to grudge on ;)

Hey Dad,

When you Google how to succeed at xyz position, all of the positions talk about strength and conditioning. When you look at oline push (this has improved some), missed tackles, no pass rush, excessive sacks, receiver separation, not many yards after catches, the fact we were up against Georgia and Arkansas only to lose steam (and “quit”), all of that points exactly to what S&C does for each group. Then there is the fact that we have TWO players who have been outstanding (one under these same coaches) are all of the sudden playing poorly. Also, you can simply use your eyes. We get pushed around everywhere. Additionally, all we have to do is look at what happened when Butch lost his S&C. That is ONE coach away. Also look at who left coaching wise vs who stayed. Look at the vacancy in the S&C‘s resume. Last, consider the likelihood of the argument it is poor coaching. To suggest it is poor coaching means a staff full of accomplished coaches is failing horrendously. The evidence pointing to S&C is insurmountable here. S&C is the common denominator. I could not believe we were taking the risk in promoting Art Giles when Fitz left and I was all over the boards saying remember what happened to Butch! Who by way was not the reason we did not hire a new S&C. He was handcuffed in spending what he needed to spend to find a new guy. Some point at Hamilton, but that can also be attributed to boosters and that leads me to the next point.

S&C isn’t the only reason we are struggling, but it is by far the biggest next to what I think are spoiled boosters and fans who have meddled early in the last two coaching staffs. Jones had our team headed in the right direction, but we fired Jancek a year after due to fan and booster pressure after we beat Georgia, lost to Florida by 1, almost (and should have) beat Oklahoma, held Bama to 19 and almost won if it wasn’t for a Dobbs fumble on a potential winning drive,. Bajakian strangely bolted after two years and he is now OC at NW who is also 3-0 in the Big 10 with a win over Iowa. He obviously didn’t like something.

Fast forward to Pruitt’s team. Last year, we almost beat Bama, went to and won a bowl game against a decent Big10 team that is now 3-0 this year with wins over Penn State and Michigan, and were two early performances in year two from winning 10 games, and yet we fire Rocker who coached a bunch of misfits that together with the linebackers were strengths of the team. I cannot help but think the boosters had a play in that because I am reading they were behind the Bumphus fire. I also cannot help but guess that is why Fitz left one month after Rocker was fired and still spoke so highly of Pruitt.
 
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Unfortunately Nieds is just a recruiter, not much on an actual football coach. TE was definitely a better position for him to coach. No idea on Felton yet, mostly because we don't have a whole lot of talent at that position imo. To be fair, Johnson is still leading the SEC in sacks with 4.5 and has shown good ability to get to the QB on obvious passing downs. Bennett has been pretty decent as well, probably a little more disruptive overall. Baron has had some good plays as well. Obviously Brum didn't pan out, and the D Line has been pretty poor this year. Ansley has not done a good job clearly with the secondary. They should be one of the better units in the SEC, yet they are one of the worst.

On offense, I don't know if it is Chaney or just the QBs or what, but something has to change. Weinke needs to on the first plane out of Knoxville. I'm not opposed to dropping Chaney and promoting Osovet to OC (and Chip Long or moving Nieds back to TEs coach). We have to change something up at this point. Find anyone that can coach QBs as well. Offensive line isn't fantastic, but there have been a lot of injuries there as well so it is really hard to say. They have struggled in pass protection at times, but seemed to have gotten that fixed the last couple of games. We've run the ball pretty well at times, but it is harder to run when everyone knows that is all you can do. Teams can just stack 8 in the box and let us throw because we aren't going to do anything.
 
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Maybe, but the bigger losses from last season were Taylor, Warrior, and Bituli.

It’s always more about the Jimmies and Joes than the X’s and O’s.

Vols lack playmakers and leaders that set the standards with their hard-nose aggressive play!

Spot on Post!
Vols need players desperately
 
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Maybe, but the bigger losses from last season were Taylor, Warrior, and Bituli.

It’s always more about the Jimmies and Joes than the X’s and O’s.

Vols lack playmakers and leaders that set the standards with their hard-nose aggressive play!
If you can't replace 3 players of their caliber each year then you are going to have a hard time in the SEC
 
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Pruitt has a mighty thin Rolodex. These 3 guys coached with him in the past. They leave and get replaced by a guy he fired after 4 games, a former Quality Control assistant, and his TE coach. Part of our problem is that these guys aren’t getting it done, and the word has gotten out that he is hard to work for. Good luck getting folks to join the sinking ship. If went down in 2012 and 2017.
And that’s the difference between a good DC and being a HC.
He’s not HC material. A HC has to hire assistants that can do the job, let them do the job , and keep them or replace them with just as good or better.
Pruitt doesn’t seem to be able to do any of that very well.
The staff seems to be declining instead of getting better, but should be the opposite because he was a first time HC when hired.
 
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