Seriously, Is Being too Good Really So Bad?

[PointGuard]

First Doug Gottlieb on CBS and now O'Shaunessy Boston Globe saying how great UConn is, is really bad for the womens game.

Even Brenda (Terps) chimed saying why watch a movie if you know the ending.

What do you think? Discussion

 

[gule]

I won't be watching.

 

[sanglemangle]

The shoe used to be on our foot.

 

[TNnative]

Geno said it well. If you don't like it, don't watch. I believe I will take his advice.

 

[Volfan2012]

I think you get as good as you can get and that is what they have done through good coaching and excellent recruiting. He always has a bunch of guards that can shoot the three and so defenses can't clog the paint on him. This then keeps the posts which are always top notch players open for easy baskets. They have it all and he has built it and everyone else has the same opportunity.
I wish Holly was a good coach like Pat because before her illness she did the same thing he is doing now.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It's hard to sell competition without any drama at all as entertaining for those who don't have a rooting interest.

 

[kamoshika]

I wish Holly was a good coach like Pat because before her illness she did the same thing he is doing now.

UConn destroys teams with the kind of clockwork efficiency that's unprecedented in women's NCAA basketball history. With their 6th national championship upcoming in the past 8 years and just 12 losses during that time, their current dominance is at a different level than the LVs' heyday.

 

[Hoya Saxa]

It's hard to sell competition without any drama at all as entertaining for those who don't have a rooting interest.

It isn't competition or drama, it is more like performance art. You watch to be entertained by people who are really good at what they do. It is about the execution, not the scoreboard. The Harlem Globetrotters still sell out arenas even though the outcome is never in doubt.

And it will all end after this year when the three seniors graduate.

 

[PointGuard]

I guess the mantle will pass to the Terps next season since Brenda has the best incoming recruiting class coming ?

What I always hear or read. UConn always gets the best players what do you expect? You might be sorry you said what you said Brenda. You've got the best players next season... so your NC will be when? 2018?

Well all the other teams with their Mick D AA's aren't playing this weekend

Use Stewart as a comparative example. What a leap forward since her Frosh season. Too many other players leave College with the same stat lines that they come in with.

Are they not coachable or their Coaches can't or won't help develop their full potential.

I sit in the Camp that says I admire what the UConn Coaching Staff, not just Geno, does in developing young women on and off the floor. Chris Dailey does the post player development not Geno.

341 Div I coaches most of whom have players who can't run for 40 minutes. Forget basket ball fundamentals they won't even make the effort to get their players in shape. Many coaches just coach and take the easy road.

Coach Shaefer left the UConn game thinking his team is great. At least that's what he said in his post game presser. They aren't even great within the SEC. If you think you're great I'm wondering if you have motivation to improve?

I just don't see that as UConn's fault. And, it sure wasn't the Lady Vols fault when Pat was on her run. Give credit to the Coaches who do outstanding work, IMO.

The problem is there aren't enough of those coaches and many of them cop out the same way.... UConn gets the best players. Bull Hickey

The Lady Vols AA's are done for the season. And, that's too bad

 

[BowlBrother85]

I guess the mantle will pass to the Terps next season since Brenda has the best incoming recruiting class coming ?

What I always hear or read. UConn always gets the best players what do you expect? You might be sorry you said what you said Brenda. You've got the best players next season... so your NC will be when? 2018?

Well all the other teams with their Mick D AA's aren't playing this weekend

Use Stewart as a comparative example. What a leap forward since her Frosh season. Too many other players leave College with the same stat lines that they come in with.

Are they not coachable or their Coaches can't or won't help develop their full potential.

I sit in the Camp that says I admire what the UConn Coaching Staff, not just Geno, does in developing young women on and off the floor. Chris Dailey does the post player development not Geno.

341 Div I coaches most of whom have players who can't run for 40 minutes. Forget basket ball fundamentals they won't even make the effort to get their players in shape. Many coaches just coach and take the easy road.

I just don't see that as UConn's fault. And, it sure wasn't the Lady Vols fault when Pat was on her run. Give credit to the Coaches who do outstanding work, IMO

Nobody said that it was "UConn's fault" or that they had done anything wrong. It's just hard for most basketball fans to get excited about watching games that are so predictable and lopsided unless they have a rooting interest in the teams involved.

 

[PointGuard]

I realize I'm in the minority of fans. I like to watch well executed basketball played on both ends of the court. I don't expect a close UConn game Sunday night.... maybe there will be a surprise. No I'll watch because I am a fan of womens basketball and I enjoy watching how good UConn is at what they do.

 

[PointGuard]

PS... with the Vol's talent it could of and should have been the Vols not SU playing for the NC Monday night.

 

[99gator]

1. Too many people live under some sort of false reality that anyone gives a damn about women's basketball to begin with. They don't.

2. Most sports gain in popularity due to an "evil empire" team or franchise. The Yankees, the Cowboys, Duke, Notre Dame, etc. More people tune in to see those teams lose than to see them win. With Notre Dame, that desire still exists despite the empire being dead for a long, long time.

3. The reality is that everyone is embarrassed because UConn reveals just how bad they suck at what they do in comparison. No one likes to be embarrassed. How come no one at this point has learned anything from UConn? I tried to look it up and think only 4 former UConn players/assistant coaches under Geno are current head coaches. Don't know if that is completely accurate. There isn't a league anywhere that the competition doesn't figure out what winning teams are doing and incorporate it into their own team.

4. In line with #1, since most people don't care, neither do most schools. Therefore, the effort to compete isn't a burning desire for most of the competition out there. How much of a priority is a championship women's basketball program at Alabama? Florida? Kansas? Arizona? Ohio State? Michigan? Etc.?

5. If you truly care about improving the game, the only way to do it is to match and then exceed the standard that has been set by UConn. The sport doesn't get better because they get worse.

 

[BowlBrother85]

1. Too many people live under some sort of false reality that anyone gives a damn about women's basketball to begin with. They don't.

2. Most sports gain in popularity due to an "evil empire" team or franchise. The Yankees, the Cowboys, Duke, Notre Dame, etc. More people tune in to see those teams lose than to see them win. With Notre Dame, that desire still exists despite the empire being dead for a long, long time.

3. The reality is that everyone is embarrassed because UConn reveals just how bad they suck at what they do in comparison. No one likes to be embarrassed. How come no one at this point has learned anything from UConn? I tried to look it up and think only 4 former UConn players/assistant coaches under Geno are current head coaches. Don't know if that is completely accurate. There isn't a league anywhere that the competition doesn't figure out what winning teams are doing and incorporate it into their own team.

4. In line with #1, since most people don't care, neither do most schools. Therefore, the effort to compete isn't a burning desire for most of the competition out there. How much of a priority is a championship women's basketball program at Alabama? Florida? Kansas? Arizona? Ohio State? Michigan? Etc.?

5. If you truly care about improving the game, the only way to do it is to match and then exceed the standard that has been set by UConn. The sport doesn't get better because they get worse.

That's easier said then done, hoss. The women's pool of elite talent is pretty small in comparison to the men's game. Also, your 'evil empire' theory has a hole in it. The men's tournament exploded in popularity and expansion after the UCLA run ended. The 1979 final four was held in the Univ of Utah's little arena... it was held at the Louisiana Superdome in 1982.

 

[PointGuard]

1. Too many people live under some sort of false reality that anyone gives a damn about women's basketball to begin with. They don't.

2. Most sports gain in popularity due to an "evil empire" team or franchise. The Yankees, the Cowboys, Duke, Notre Dame, etc. More people tune in to see those teams lose than to see them win. With Notre Dame, that desire still exists despite the empire being dead for a long, long time.

3. The reality is that everyone is embarrassed because UConn reveals just how bad they suck at what they do in comparison. No one likes to be embarrassed. How come no one at this point has learned anything from UConn? I tried to look it up and think only 4 former UConn players/assistant coaches under Geno are current head coaches. Don't know if that is completely accurate. There isn't a league anywhere that the competition doesn't figure out what winning teams are doing and incorporate it into their own team.

4. In line with #1, since most people don't care, neither do most schools. Therefore, the effort to compete isn't a burning desire for most of the competition out there. How much of a priority is a championship women's basketball program at Alabama? Florida? Kansas? Arizona? Ohio State? Michigan? Etc.?

5. If you truly care about improving the game, the only way to do it is to match and then exceed the standard that has been set by UConn. The sport doesn't get better because they get worse.

+1 So that's the sound of a hammer hitting a nail on the head. Great post

 

[IPleadInsanity]

First Doug Gottlieb on CBS and now O'Shaunessy Boston Globe saying how great UConn is, is really bad for the womens game.

Even Brenda (Terps) chimed saying why watch a movie if you know the ending.

What do you think? Discussion

They said same about the Lady Vols 10 years ago. See what it did to women's basketball?

 

[Volfan2012]

UConn destroys teams with the kind of clockwork efficiency that's unprecedented in women's NCAA basketball history. With their 6th national championship upcoming in the past 8 years and just 12 losses during that time, their current dominance is at a different level than the LVs' heyday.

Still up to the rest of WCBB to get to the point that it don't happen. I think it could start next year. He got the most dynamic recruiting class in history four years ago. He got one that was close when he cheated for Moore eight years ago. He hasn't done as well in recruiting the last couple years. He has a good program but getting the best talent plus players that want to be great is the key. Pat would have won more in the nineties key injuries knocked her down a few years. I can't remember UConn having a key injury in years.

 

[99gator]

That's easier said then done, hoss. The women's pool of elite talent is pretty small in comparison to the men's game. Also, your 'evil empire' theory has a hole in it. The men's tournament exploded in popularity and expansion after the UCLA run ended. The 1979 final four was held in the Univ of Utah's little arena... it was held at the Louisiana Superdome in 1982.

Didn't say it was easy.

Cable television in around 1980 helped college athletics explode, including women's basketball. IMO, I think it has sort of peaked or doesn't have much room for growth until it's a more enjoyable game to watch.

I think college baseball and college softball are going to be bigger in the future.

I think the conference networks are really going to do a lot for college baseball.

 

[PointGuard]

Still up to the rest of WCBB to get to the point that it don't happen. I think it could start next year. He got the most dynamic recruiting class in history four years ago. He got one that was close when he cheated for Moore eight years ago. He hasn't done as well in recruiting the last couple years. He has a good program but getting the best talent plus players that want to be great is the key. Pat would have won more in the nineties key injuries knocked her down a few years. I can't remember UConn having a key injury in years.

I think it is unfortunate that a few fans have to cast a bad shadow over the Lady Vols with "he cheated for Maya" type comments.

 

[Volfan2012]

I think it is unfortunate that a few fans have to cast a bad shadow over the Lady Vols with "he cheated for Maya" type comments.

It is in the file trip to ESPN was a violation minor but you can't take it back. It was a violation that happened when she was being recruited.

 

[Benionsopinion]

I think it is unfortunate that a few fans have to cast a bad shadow over the Lady Vols with "he cheated for Maya" type comments.

Maybe you could explain how the truth casts a bad shadow over anything,especially the Lady Vols. Probably it could be said that it's done,don't beat a dead horse. That at least would make some sense.

 

[bobkitten]

I will be pulling for the two teams from out west.

 

[GameTime]

UConn plays good ball....Geno is a hell of a coach and recruiter.
I watch em until they have destroyed the competition, which is usually by the second quarter.

 

[teacherdean]

The bad thing about a UCONN dynasty in women's basketball is, it is women's sport with no apparent challengers. In the men's game there has been the Celtic, Yankee, Green Bay, UCLA Basketball, Alabama-SEC dynasties, however, none of those men's sports dynasties turned off most people. We continued to watch hoping someone would step up to the plate and end each dynasty's Supremecy of their respective sports. It is totally asinine for sportscasters to compare Genno's domination in women's basketball to John Wooden's championships in an effort to create interest.

Look at the crowds at NIT men's basketball games as compared to women NCAA games. There are a lot of us interested in women's basketball but not nearly the number of fans that are interested in the men's game. A dynasty in women's sports is sort of a kiss of death, especially for "real" sports men and really women. But do not blame Genno, it is not his fault. Blame the women's game for not having coaches and universities that are stepping up to the plate and challenging Genno and his UCONN program.

Look at all the major universities that allow unsuccessful women basketball coaches to stay for eons. Look at our LV program, would Holly, if she were a man, be allowed to stay at a top men's program with zero recruits and failure to reach the final four with 7 five star players, be real, no she would not.

What Genno is doing is no secret, it is right in your face. We need to compete and coach at a high level. Look at Duke, McCallie has had top five recruiting classes but look at the empty trophy case of National Championships or final four banners. Coaching has to improve and university commitment to women's sports need to rival that of their commitment to men's sports. It is not Genno's job to lose it is the rest of women's basketball to knock him off the top of the mountain. Figure out a way to kick UCONN's butt or quit complaining and accept second best.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The bad thing about a UCONN dynasty in women's basketball is, it is women's sport with no apparent challengers. In the men's game there has been the Celtic, Yankee, Green Bay, UCLA Basketball, Alabama-SEC dynasties, however, none of those men's sports dynasties turned off most people. We continued to watch hoping someone would step up to the plate and end each dynasty's Supremecy of their respective sports. It is totally asinine for sportscasters to compare Genno's domination in women's basketball to John Wooden's championships in an effort to create interest.

Look at the crowds at NIT men's basketball games as compared to women NCAA games. There are a lot of us interested in women's basketball but not nearly the number of fans that are interested in the men's game. A dynasty in women's sports is sort of a kiss of death, especially for "real" sports men and really women. But do not blame Genno, it is not his fault. Blame the women's game for not having coaches and universities that are stepping up to the plate and challenging Genno and his UCONN program.

Look at all the major universities that allow unsuccessful women basketball coaches to stay for eons. Look at our LV program, would Holly, if she were a man, be allowed to stay at a top men's program with zero recruits and failure to reach the final four with 7 five star players, be real, no she would not.

What Genno is doing is no secret, it is right in your face. We need to compete and coach at a high level. Look at Duke, McCallie has had top five recruiting classes but look at the empty trophy case of National Championships or final four banners. Coaching has to improve and university commitment to women's sports need to rival that of their commitment to men's sports. It is not Genno's job to lose it is the rest of women's basketball to knock him off the top of the mountain. Figure out a way to kick UCONN's butt or quit complaining and accept second best.

Name one men's coach that has been fired after making 3 out of 4 elite 8 appearances.