Senate just passed bill to regulate college sports

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PalmettoStateVol said:
You keep bringing up that you were a "student athlete". You've also brought up the fact that it was 40 years ago. That's like trying to say that a 1986 fox body Mustang GT is the same as a 2026 Mustang GT. While, they both have 2 doors, 4 wheels, and an engine, it is in no way the same thing. Just as your experience back in the 80's is nothing like a college athletes experience today. The only thing that's the same is the term "student athlete". It ends there. Most of these young men rarely walk inside of a classroom. A lot, if not most, of their classes are attended online. Yes, some universities limit how many classes can be taken online, but not all, and I can't find any information that says UT limits how many an athlete can take online. That's just the nature of today's college environment for P5 football programs. Your talking point of "being in the know", or "because I have actual experience", is beyond irrelevant. This isn't 1986 and your self adulation of your glory days doesn't apply to todays college athletics. You prove just how much you don't know every single time you type that ridiculous BS.
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You have no clue eiher.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I don't want UT to be in the pro sports business which is why I feel there needs to be guardrails like this bill provides to protect the college atmosphere.

If not controlled college sports will die and the so-called pro teams you all keep spouting about will die as well. The NFL and NBA will just establish minor leagues around the US and folks will tune out.

And NIL is NOT paid by the school.
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NIL isn't paid by the school but the "revenue sharing" with the athletes is direct payment to athletes to play for the team.

Teams have even sued athletes to "recoup" money if they transfer because a contract to play for that school is broken. How can you insist this isn't a pro sports arrangement?

Going pro and collective bargaining with the players follows a path with plenty of guardrails available via negotiation.

Going to Congress to get a special loophole in the law so the NCAA business can thrive is...... it's everything I bet you'd hate for Congress to do for companies. It's such obvious "special interest" legislation.
 
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Voltopia said:
I mean, you can shake your head and deny it all you like. They charge prices like a pro team, they market and advertise like a pro team, they're building an entertainment complex like a pro team, they're building a hotel like a pro team, they buy players like a pro team ...

Once upon a time, they didn't do that, but the money was too good and the people in charge were too weak to say no.
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Actually, they always have marketed themselves, charged prices, etc. You think folks used to get in to see the football games free and could just grab a drink without paying? You think jerseys with official logos did not exist for folks to buy? Sorry to burst your bubble but Tennessee has had season tickets that folks purchase and waiting lines for a very long time. You think there wasn't ever an entertainment district around the college - that used to be the Strip with some things downtown but the expansion of the campus and other development from the city of Knoxville destroyed a lot of that and the World's Fair in 1982 changed a lot of the landscape.

Some of you are somewhat clueless around history. Very little of what you think is new really is innovative - it is just reimagining the same thing with new tech.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I really think some of you are just trolls or you like the chaos of watching college sports be destroyed.
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That’s likely how they feel about your support of government overreach. You’d see our constitutional protected rights forfeited just to satisfy your thirst for entertainment.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
NIL isn't paid by the school but the "revenue sharing" with the athletes is direct payment to athletes to play for the team.

Teams have even sued athletes to "recoup" money if they transfer because a contract to play for that school is broken. How can you insist this isn't a pro sports arrangement?

Going pro and collective bargaining with the players follows a path with plenty of guardrails available via negotiation.

Going to Congress to get a special loophole in the law so the NCAA business can thrive is...... it's everything I bet you'd hate for Congress to do for companies. It's such obvious "special interest" legislation.
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💯..I don't understand why no one sees this.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
This is why I'm amazed that Tennesseans are supporting this Bill.

This is the classic "special interest" group coming to Congress to get favorable legislation so their business can be more successful.

This is exactly what true conservatives should want government to stay out of and refuse to help.

This bill actually wants the Congress to make a "special law" just for the NCAA which allows them to operate completely different from similar amateur and pro leagues. It's EXACTLY a "special interest" situation.

And, as you say, it's presented as always that "bad things will happen to America if we don't fix this." America will be fine. The business of the NCAA may suck but America will be just fine.

Congress should actually be the last resort for real American problems to be solved, not a specialized type of sports getting a "loophole" so their business runs smoother.

Why are good conservative Tennesseans supporting this kind of crap?
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Exactly what defines a 'conservative' any more? Like 'liberal', another term from distant times that has been warped beyond any recognition of its original meaning.

The NCAA will now be just another lobby attempting to curry favor from the parasites in Congress for a price, and CFB and CBB will become the pro minor leagues that they have been headed for since the NCAA created this mess.

It's mind blowing that anyone who pays even scant attention to the goings on politically over the last 25-30 years could seriously see the federal government as the answer to this or any other problem or issue, but here we are.
 
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sami said:
Exactly what defines a 'conservative' any more? Like 'liberal', another term from distant times that has been warped beyond any recognition of its original meaning.

The NCAA will now be just another lobby attempting to curry favor from the parasites in Congress for a price, and CFB and CBB will become the pro minor leagues that they have been headed for since the NCAA created this mess.

It's mind blowing that anyone who pays even scant attention to the goings on politically over the last 25-30 years could seriously see the federal government as the answer to this or any other problem or issue, but here we are.
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In the Alston decision the SCOTUS told the NCAA that they should go to Congress if they wanted Antitrust protection for their illegal business model.

Congress, inept as usual, turned the hearings on the NCAA and college football into a "let's get a photo op with Coach Saban" with little more than him saying "it's pay for play and it shouldn't be because we really don't like that" (which is pretty laughable given Saban's knowledge of the history of college athlete payments.)

What the hearings really were, as you said, was the NCAA crying because they know they have to pay the athletes now but they don't want to use the pro model that's available.

Why not? The NCAA knows they have to share revenue now, that is, pay the workers. The NCAA wants no part of players being called employees, which..... what do you call it when you pay someone to play football for you in a league?

They're trying to get Congress to legally say: these people get paid to play sports but they aren't professional athletes.

Oddly, that's the kind of nonsense only Congress would try to say.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We can agree the NCAA is useless but the pro model is what works for athletes.

Until the major sports colleges step up, admit they are running a pay to play, as you say.... players earning salaries (which they don't admit currently,) and establish collective bargaining like pro sports....... it's broke.

You and I likely agree. College sports is pro sports at the top levels...... so run it like successful pro sports are run: a players union and owners work out the rules and caps and free agency and all that.

Completely legal.
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UT already has a salary cap of $20.5 million between all sports.

Are you saying congress should cap NIL?

Will they cap musicians, actors, and models earnings for their NIL?

Will they cap what former presidents and congress members can charge for speaking appearances?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
UT already has a salary cap of $20.5 million between all sports.

Are you saying congress should cap NIL?

Will they cap musicians, actors, and models earnings for their NIL?

Will they cap what former presidents and congress members can charge for speaking appearances?
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The NFL has a salary cap
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
The NFL has a salary cap
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Yes they do.

NIL isn’t included in that salary cap.

I think folks are confusing the NFL salary cap vs NIL.

The NFL cap doesn’t stop players from making money from endorsements, autograph signings, or any other method that a player chooses to use their NIL.

The cap only applies to what the teams can pay each year in salaries
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Yes they do.

NIL isn’t included in that salary cap.

I think folks are confusing the NFL salary cap vs NIL.

The NFL cap doesn’t stop players from making money from endorsements, autograph signings, or any other method that a player chooses to use their NIL.

The cap only applies to what the teams can pay each year in salaries
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I understand the difference but at some point there must be a cap on NIL. I know that will be difficult but it will be required unless a couple of conferences go off on their own and form their own league
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Yes they do.

NIL isn’t included in that salary cap.

I think folks are confusing the NFL salary cap vs NIL.

The NFL cap doesn’t stop players from making money from endorsements, autograph signings, or any other method that a player chooses to use their NIL.

The cap only applies to what the teams can pay each year in salaries
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It's almost like people are intentionally not understanding. If Congress decided to cap pay for everyone, I wonder if that would be OK. People complaining about NIL don't care about what the coaches make and the buyouts. It's almost like they have another reason for targeting the athletes.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
It's almost like people are intentionally not understanding. If Congress decided to cap pay for everyone, I wonder if that would be OK. People complaining about NIL don't care about what the coaches make and the buyouts. It's almost like they have another reason for targeting the athletes.
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What % of NCAA athletes are pro worthy ACROSS ALL DIVISIONS AND ALL SPORTS?

College sports has to protect the very high percentage of players who need scholarships, books, room and board. Depleting all the money on the few has to be regulated to keep the rest afloat. There are places for pros, they need to use college to get there….. this bill is a start.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What % of NCAA athletes are pro worthy ACROSS ALL DIVISIONS AND ALL SPORTS?

College sports has to protect the very high percentage of players who need scholarships, books, room and board. Depleting all the money on the few has to be regulated to keep the rest afloat. There are places for pros, they need to use college to get there….. this bill is a start.
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What does it matter if they're Proworthy? It's funny that you think the NCAA/Colleges/TV are pinching pennies, and to help them to survive, cap what the athletes make. The very people that generate the money. No one is going to the games to watch JH, AG, or LK for that matter. I thought that we all loved free market capitalism. Let the market dictate what the players make.
What is your line of work? Do you want the government to dictate the max that you can make? Or anyone that does your job?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Why is a cap on NIL required?
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Because there aren't any guardrails right now, no one really knows if they are actually endorsing products or not. We see some of them doing but many others are getting paid and no one is sure if it's from jersey sales, etc. The whole thing was enacted irresponsibly without any regs whatsoever
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Because there aren't any guardrails right now, no one really knows if they are actually endorsing products or not. We see some of them doing but many others are getting paid and no one is sure if it's from jersey sales, etc. The whole thing was enacted irresponsibly without any regs whatsoever
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Actually, the House Settlement did set up an organization to scrutinize NIL deals. Most have been approved but some have been rejected.

The issue that the Senate bill has is that the players have no negotiating power in the revenue sharing percentage, the transfer rules, etc.

The Bill carefully keeps the athletes from being called professional athletes despite acknowledging they are paid by the schools to play sports for the school.

For the NCAA, it's a great deal because they get back the power and don't have to collective bargain with the players over revenue sharing, transfer rules, etc.

It sucks for the players who are essentially performing as pro athletes without the collective bargaining pro athletes usually can do.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Actually, the House Settlement did set up an organization to scrutinize NIL deals. Most have been approved but some have been rejected.

The issue that the Senate bill has is that the players have no negotiating power in the revenue sharing percentage, the transfer rules, etc.

The Bill carefully keeps the athletes from being called professional athletes despite acknowledging they are paid by the schools to play sports for the school.

For the NCAA, it's a great deal because they get back the power and don't have to collective bargain with the players over revenue sharing, transfer rules, etc.

It sucks for the players who are essentially performing as pro athletes without the collective bargaining pro athletes usually can do.
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Because there aren't any guardrails right now, no one really knows if they are actually endorsing products or not. We see some of them doing but many others are getting paid and no one is sure if it's from jersey sales, etc. The whole thing was enacted irresponsibly without any regs whatsoever
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NIL isn’t paid by Universities or athletic departments

If businesses and individuals are happy with their investment then why should we worry?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
NIL isn’t paid by Universities or athletic departments

If businesses and individuals are happy with their investment then why should we worry?
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Right. It's constitutionally illegal really for congress to tell someone they can't pay someone to do a job, or for them to limit the amount an individual gets paid, or who they work for.

It's really a tough situation to be honest. I selfishly like the transfer rule (only one transfer penalty free), but it's technically unconstitutional and I question if all that is in this bill will hold up in federal courts. Some parts could be struck down.
 
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Saw something today where the Kentucky basketball coach said that I believe 6 of his players were making more than any of the assistant coaches and 3 were making more than what the assistants make combined. That is like a person making more than the one responsible for setting the vision and leading them.

I wonder how long before some of the coaches just say enough - let the players coach by committee and see how that goes.

Reality is, NIL is individual so if a person, outside of whom they are working for can make money on their own - that is one thing - but the idea that these schools should be directly paying any player more than they are paying the person responsible for leading the team (i.e. coach) who will be fired based on how they perform, is insane.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Right. It's constitutionally illegal really for congress to tell someone they can't pay someone to do a job, or for them to limit the amount an individual gets paid, or who they work for.

It's really a tough situation to be honest. I selfishly like the transfer rule (only one transfer penalty free), but it's technically unconstitutional and I question if all that is in this bill will hold up in federal courts. Some parts could be struck down.
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It's all easily taken care of if the major, money making teams will go pro and collective bargain with the players.

The agreement can include guardrails on NIL so it isn't used to beat a salary cap (like the NFL, NBA and MLB legally have,) a negotiated salary cap, free agency/transfer rules, etc just like other pro leagues enjoy with the safety of an "implied" Antitrust Exemption.

Those schools not in the "major college league" are naturally devalued, lack the money to pay much, etc and the "Wild West" situation is lessened as the talent and TV money goes to the "major college league."

The problem is the schools don't want to negotiate with the players like other leagues. They don't want the players to have a voice in the league even though their talent and sweat makes the games worth the TV money.
 
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