Sec teams out recruiting us?

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Folks are mentioning our SEC foes are out recruiting us. Is that true, though?

Bama - 2 5stars
LSU - 1 5star

No other teams have 5star recruits in our conference.
Some may have more 4star commits, but is there really a huge difference in 3star and 4star players at this level?

Just something to think about for all the "star" recruiting fans out there. Are our opponents really out recruiting us?

If you can't win the line of scrimmage, you can't win a thing. That's our main focus now anyway.
 
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madbamahater said:
Folks are mentioning our SEC foes are out recruiting us. Is that true, though?

Bama - 2 5stars
LSU - 1 5star

No other teams have 5star recruits in our conference.
Some may have more 4star commits, but is there really a huge difference in 3star and 4star players at this level?

Just something to think about for all the "star" recruiting fans out there. Are our opponents really out recruiting us?

If you can't win the line of scrimmage, you can't win a thing. That's our main focus now anyway.
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Currently we are ranked # 23 on Scout with only South Carolina, Kentucky & Vandy behind us. We are ranked #24 on Rivals with only KY & Vandy behind us. So yes, at this time just about everyone in the SEC is ahead of us.
 
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Just depends on how you feel about stars and recruiting services in general.

Most of our commits have been evaluated in person by our staff. Until this staff proves that they CAN'T evaluate talent, I fully trust a camp offer. For example, our staff evaluated at least 2 top 250 OL in person and didn't think they were good enough to offer. Are they wrong or is rivals wrong? Only time will tell.

I'm of the school of thought that thinks a staff that has been around football for years knows more about talent than a cat like Mike Ferrell.....illogical I know.
 
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Here we go. There should be an entrance exam prior to entering the recruiting forum. That or a 6 month waiting period to post.
 
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volwarrior33 said:
Because a freshman who is out for the year being late to meetings means he'll never be a good college football player.
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Nope, you are missing a key point. A 5* is supposed to be a guy who will be able to make an immediate impact and significant contribution right away at the collegiate level. A 4* is a guy who has loads of talent, but who might not make an immediate impact. Might be more of a contributor as a sophomore and less as a freshman. That's how I've heard the 5 star versus 4 star designation explained.

So, if Ambles has one catch for the year and is indefinitely suspended, I think it's logical and fair to say that he's panning out as a 4 star at best and not as a 5 star - he has not and will not have a significant impact on USC's season. You may disagree if you like.

That means while the star ratings may be very useful and often reliable, that they are not infallible. Ambles was rated a 5* and is demonstrably a 4* at best. And the bulk of the difference may well be due to his attitude and other intangibles. Nothing surprising - we all know that they matter. Just hard to quantify ahead of time.

That's what it means.

Also means that a guy's character and maturity level can inarguably have some impact on his ultimate contribution on the field. It's not the end-all-be-all and does not trump his talent level in importance, but it can have direct and measurable effects on his value as a player. Especially early. Should be considered in general. Some high-talent punks are worth taking a chance on and many moderate-talent angels are not. 'Balance' is the key.
 
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There may be some talent differences in a 4 star and 5 or even a 3 and 5. Attitude, determination, intelligence, good coaching and other things can equalize players' performances. Everything being equal, I would rather have a 5 star, but most of the time everything is not equal.
 
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madbamahater said:
Folks are mentioning our SEC foes are out recruiting us. Is that true, though?

Bama - 2 5stars
LSU - 1 5star

No other teams have 5star recruits in our conference.

Some may have more 4star commits, but is there really a huge difference in 3star and 4star players at this level?

Just something to think about for all the "star" recruiting fans out there. Are our opponents really out recruiting us?

If you can't win the line of scrimmage, you can't win a thing. That's our main focus now anyway.
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YES. Everyone in the SEC other than Vandy and Kentucky is outrecruiting us. For everyone on here that keeps making the excuse that our recruiting class if poorly rated because we're signing offensive and defensive linemen, they should check out the position rankings for UT for OL, DT, and DE. We're WAY down the list at the positions that the apologists are trying to claim as the strength of this UT recruiting class.
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Nope, you are missing a key point. A 5* is supposed to be a guy who will be able to make an immediate impact and significant contribution right away at the collegiate level. A 4* is a guy who has loads of talent, but who might not make an immediate impact. Might be more of a contributor as a sophomore and less as a freshman. That's how I've heard the 5 star versus 4 star designation explained.

So, if Ambles has one catch for the year and is indefinitely suspended, I think it's logical and fair to say that he's panning out as a 4 star at best and not as a 5 star - he has not and will not have a significant impact on USC's season. You may disagree if you like.

That means while the star ratings may be very useful and often reliable, that they are not infallible. Ambles was rated a 5* and is demonstrably a 4* at best. And the bulk of the difference may well be due to his attitude and other intangibles. Nothing surprising - we all know that they matter. Just hard to quantify ahead of time.

That's what it means.

Also means that a guy's character and maturity level can inarguably have some impact on his ultimate contribution on the field. It's not the end-all-be-all and does not trump his talent level in importance, but it can have direct and measurable effects on his value as a player. Especially early. Should be considered in general. Some high-talent punks are worth taking a chance on and many moderate-talent angels are not. 'Balance' is the key.
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USC is appealing for a RS for Ambles FWIW. And he was the 4th best WR in the class according to Rivals, the top 2 both went to USC. Obviously every 5 star can't make an impact if they all go to USC.
 
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volwarrior33 said:
USC is appealing for a RS for Ambles FWIW. And he was the 4th best WR in the class according to Rivals, the top 2 both went to USC. Obviously every 5 star can't make an impact if they all go to USC.
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He was a 4 star while committed to Tennessee.

What did he do between Jan 12th and NSD to deserve the 5th star?

Switch to USC?
 
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Ambles has been late to meetings , but you can bet that what made him late to the meetings won't be reported. Not yet anyway. Not until he transfers.
 
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