SEC Teams In NCAA Tournament

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esarmstrong said:
That sounds about right. Lon Kruger an Norm Sloan are the two coaches who took them to the tourney previously, for sure. There may have been one other who did it pre 1980's, but I doubt it.

Florida was a basketball black hole until Norm Sloan arrived in the 1980's. They had marginal success under him. Their real success did not begin until Lon Kruger and Donovan.
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livefaith said:
True, but really don't care. KY & UF regularly have legit FF contenders. I could care less if the SEC stinks as long as the Vols spank everyone and play for championships.
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Basketball is truly a sport where you need your conference to be strong in order for your resume to look good. It's always going to come into play. Whether it's looking for a higher seed or trying to get on the right side of the bubble, it's nothing but net positive for the conference to be strong in hoops.
 
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esarmstrong said:
But you did infer that Tennessee has no history. Nothing could be further from truth.
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It depends on your definition of "history." Are you talking about good teams or accomplishments? Sure, UT had some good teams back in the day, but what did they win? 1 SEC tournament in 1979.
 
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Say Tennessee has a better basketball history than FL all you want. At the end of the day, UF has 2 titles and more final fours than TN. Which in case you were counting for UT is zero for both categories.
 
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The PAC 12 has won just two NCAA basketball titles in the past 39 years. None in 17 years.

The Big Ten has won just one NCAA basketball title in the past 25 years. SEC has won six.
 
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Tux said:
The PAC 12 has won just two NCAA basketball titles in the past 39 years. None in 17 years.

The Big Ten has won just one NCAA basketball title in the past 25 years. SEC has won six.
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If you judge a conference based off of titles in BASKETBALL, you are judging the wrong way in my opinion. I believe tourney appearances, final fours, and non-conference play is the ultimate determinant of conference strength. Which if you take all of that into account, the SEC was mighty weak.
 
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Boca Vol said:
It depends on your definition of "history." Are you talking about good teams or accomplishments? Sure, UT had some good teams back in the day, but what did they win? 1 SEC tournament in 1979.
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Actually, it's a little bit more than that. It's true they have only won the SEC tournament five times in their history and have marginal NCAA tourney success, but I would like to think measuring success is more than tournament success. Most of UT's measurable success is found elsewhere with their winning all time record against all SEC teams not named Kentucky or Alabama and they are tied for 2nd, all time, in SEC regular season championships.
 
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PhatPhilVolDooley said:
Say Tennessee has a better basketball history than FL all you want. At the end of the day, UF has 2 titles and more final fours than TN. Which in case you were counting for UT is zero for both categories.
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All of this is true, but it is hardly the only measuring stick for "success". If you are restricting your criteria to the above then the farcical argument can be made that Georgia has a better basketball tradition than Tennessee because they made the final four once in their history, but Tennessee has only been as far as the elite 8.
 
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PhatPhilVolDooley said:
If you judge a conference based off of titles in BASKETBALL, you are judging the wrong way in my opinion. I believe tourney appearances, final fours, and non-conference play is the ultimate determinant of conference strength. Which if you take all of that into account, the SEC was mighty weak.
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Nobody remembers the losers.
 
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I'd prefer to have Florida's success level personally.

We've each been to the NCAA's 19 times. We've won 9 SEC titles, they have 7. We've each won the conference tourney 4 times.

But they separate with 8 elite 8's, 5 final 4's and 2 national titles.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'd prefer to have Florida's success level personally.

We've each been to the NCAA's 19 times. We've won 9 SEC titles, they have 7. We've each won the conference tourney 4 times.

But they separate with 8 elite 8's, 5 final 4's and 2 national titles.
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yes, but, florida's "history" is terrible.

i am going to be consistent here.

having said that, it speaks volumes and proves my point that a team with literally no history can rocket past damn near every team in the league (except kentucky) in basketball accomplishments due to a 15 year period.

if you were to ask anyone about tennessee basketball, alabama basketball, etc, etc, etc, "historically", they wouldn't have much positive to say.
 
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esarmstrong said:
Actually, it's a little bit more than that. It's true they have only won the SEC tournament five times in their history and have marginal NCAA tourney success, but I would like to think measuring success is more than tournament success. Most of UT's measurable success is found elsewhere with their winning all time record against all SEC teams not named Kentucky or Alabama and they are tied for 2nd, all time, in SEC regular season championships.
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So most of UT's measurable success in basketball occurs when it doesn't really matter? It's what you do come tournament time that matters.

Look at it this way. How would you feel about this year's team if they wound up with the same record but started on fire, got a higher seed in the NCAA, lost in the 1st round, and was ranked #23....vs. getting hot at the end of the season and making some noise?

Both teams wound up at roughly the same spot but one started better and one finished better. It's how you finish.

Do you think UK's season was a success? They were pre-season #1. They underachieved in the regular season, but got hot at the right time. All people will remember is they made it to the finals.
 
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Given the emphasis on the NCAA Tournament, you'd be hard pressed to find any UF fan who'd trade UT's overall history with Sloan, Kruger and especially Donovan's accomplishments over the past four decades.

UT can have the all-time series lead. I'll take the back-to-back national titles...in spite losing to UT 3 out of 4 in the regular season during that stretch. :)
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I don't have the numbers, but I remember as far back as the 50s. Before Billy, Tennessee and other SEC teams could hardly wait for UF to come up on the schedule Often the score at halftime in the UF game would be something like Tennessee 41 to 20. Uf was one of the easiest teams to beat we had on our schedule. Coach D certainly changed the basketball atmosphere at UF.

I am not sure UF ever made the NCAAT before Coach D arrived.
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We did under Norm Sloan in the late 80s, and made the Final Four with Lon Kruger in '94.
 
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