SEC Preseason Projected Wins from ESPN

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Versus Reality:


Actual records/difference:
UGA, 12-1, +2.5
UF, 6-6, - 2.2
MIZZ, 6-6, - 1.1
UK, 9-3, +1.9
UT, 7-5, +0.4
SC, 6-6, +1.5
VANDY, 2-10, - 2.2


Actual records/difference:
BAMA, 12-1 (11 regular season wins) -0.1
A&M, 8-4, -1.6
MSU, 7-5 -1.2
LSU, 6-6, -1.2
AUB, 6-6, -0.9
OM, 10-2, +3.1
ARK, 8-4, +1.9

3 Takeaways:

1. I hate Kiffin more than most but looks like he should have been COY.

2. The SEC West as a whole underperformed.

3. It's nice not to be an underperformer.

 

[VolInNW]

Yet, Flobee McSupercuts wins COY.

Ridiculous.

 

[BruisedOrange]

3 Takeaways:

1. I hate Kiffin more than most but looks like he should have been COY.

Agree with you on both of those statements.

I didn't realize Georgia was overperforming this year. Looking at your comparison, I'll stand down on my criticism of Kirby's COY recognition over our Coach Heupel--IF the award is based solely on on-field performance.

But what Heupel achieved in his first 11 months, winning over seniors, changing the culture of the program, changing the attitude within the UTAD, winning over fans, assembling an outstanding staff to come into a situation that was iffy at best...

For all the hats that an SEC head coach has to wear, if the award was sponsored by The Wharton School, Fast Company and CEO Magazine, Heupel would be Coach of the Year hands down.

 

[sechamp2012]

Versus Reality:

View attachment 419545
Actual records/difference:
UGA, 12-1, +2.5
UF, 6-6, - 2.2
MIZZ, 6-6, - 1.1
UK, 9-3, +1.9
UT, 7-5, +0.4
SC, 6-6, +1.5
VANDY, 2-10, - 2.2

View attachment 419546
Actual records/difference:
BAMA, 12-1 (11 regular season wins) -0.1
A&M, 8-4, -1.6
MSU, 7-5 -1.2
LSU, 6-6, -1.2
AUB, 6-6, -0.9
OM, 10-2, +3.1
ARK, 8-4, +1.9

3 Takeaways:

1. I hate Kiffin more than most but looks like he should have been COY.

2. The SEC West as a whole underperformed.

3. It's nice not to be an underperformer.

Well I think Kiffin did well but his QB bailed him out of a few games, I think with a different QB they win 8 which would have still been a real good year for OM.
Also, Bama is just about the same situation their QB meant everything to that team in a lot of close games where I believe Bryce was their answer to keep from possibly losing 2 more. He is a Great college QB and that's where it starts now with these new College rules that are positive towards O and negative towards D's. He has great escapability in all the games I watched. Alabama overall is down but their best QB ever.
Good info.

 

[VolPack22]

They thought Vanderbilt would get to 4 wins

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Agree with you on both of those statements.

I didn't realize Georgia was overperforming this year. Looking at your comparison, I'll stand down on my criticism of Kirby's COY recognition over our Coach Heupel--IF the award is based solely on on-field performance.

But what Heupel achieved in his first 11 months, winning over seniors, changing the culture of the program, changing the attitude within the UTAD, winning over fans, assembling an outstanding staff to come into a situation that was iffy at best...

For all the hats that an SEC head coach has to wear, if the award was sponsored by The Wharton School, Fast Company and CEO Magazine, Heupel would be Coach of the Year hands down.

We have every right to be excited about what Heupel has done in Year 1. I've said it since the spring, the stuff the guy has done just makes sense. I remember reading Suetonius, The Twelve Caesars years ago and thinking the same thing about Augustus. Anyway, I'm really excited about what looks like may be a strong close to a top 15 class. That's awesome all things considered. Realistically though, Heupel needed to beat Pitt and Ole Miss to be in serious conversation for COY. He was close.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Kirby won it by under performing. GA was preseason pick to go undefeated and win SECC. All he won was the East.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It’s about to be put up shut up time for Jimbo . He better do something we this recruiting class. And soon.

 

[Cartervol]

Kirby's job has been made easier by having top 1-3 classes just about every year now. His job was so easy this year he could get away with playing Stetson Bennett right up til they played a team with equal talent and a better coach. If Heupel had somehow pulled off Ole Miss and Pitt he would of been the clear cut winner IMO.

 

[Cartervol]

It’s about to be put up shut up time for Jimbo . He better do something we this recruiting class. And soon.

They'll be calling for his head after next year if he isn't much better than 8-4.. He makes too much money to be 8-4. They'll give him the boot.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Kirby's job has been made easier by having top 1-3 classes just about every year now. His job was so easy this year he could get away with playing Stetson Bennett right up til they played a team with equal talent and a better coach. If Heupel had somehow pulled off Ole Miss and Pitt he would of been the clear cut winner IMO.

Recruiting is part of the job though, a rather large part.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Well I think Kiffin did well but his QB bailed him out of a few games, I think with a different QB they win 8 which would have still been a real good year for OM.
Also, Bama is just about the same situation their QB meant everything to that team in a lot of close games where I believe Bryce was their answer to keep from possibly losing 2 more. He is a Great college QB and that's where it starts now with these new College rules that are positive towards O and negative towards D's. He has great escapability in all the games I watched. Alabama overall is down but their best QB ever.
Good info.

You are right that Corral was a big part of that team. I don't think you can subtract players from a team as a way to diminish the coaching performance though. Kiffin coached Corral. 10-2 is a phenomenal season at Ole Miss. That's as good as they've done since the 60's.

 

[BruisedOrange]

We have every right to be excited about what Heupel has done in Year 1. I've said it since the spring, the stuff the guy has done just makes sense. I remember reading Suetonius, The Twelve Caesars years ago and thinking the same thing about Augustus. Anyway, I'm really excited about what looks like may be a strong close to a top 15 class. That's awesome all things considered. Realistically though, Heupel needed to beat Pitt and Ole Miss to be in serious conversation for COY. He was close.

Point well made, and a nice reference. There's very little of consequence that hasn't already been covered by the Greeks or Romans.

But just to keep my good standing in Knoxville: Suetonius... that was a Phil Collins hit, right?

("Tranquillus" no VolNational ever chose as a screen name.)

 

[Other_Guy]

I'm surprised they had Georgia at 9.5

 

[sechamp2012]

You are right that Corral was a big part of that team. I don't think you can subtract players from a team as a way to diminish the coaching performance though. Kiffin coached Corral. 10-2 is a phenomenal season at Oe Miss. That's as good as they've done since the 60's.[/QUOTE

I think Cutcliff won 10 in 2003 at Ole Miss but that was maybe counting Bowl win and didn’t hurt having Eli.

 

[JWilly]

Well I think Kiffin did well but his QB bailed him out of a few games, I think with a different QB they win 8 which would have still been a real good year for OM.
Also, Bama is just about the same situation their QB meant everything to that team in a lot of close games where I believe Bryce was their answer to keep from possibly losing 2 more. He is a Great college QB and that's where it starts now with these new College rules that are positive towards O and negative towards D's. He has great escapability in all the games I watched. Alabama overall is down but their best QB ever.
Good info.

Where would UT be without Hooker?

 

[VolBallGuy]

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[Fightmaker]

You are right that Corral was a big part of that team. I don't think you can subtract players from a team as a way to diminish the coaching performance though. Kiffin coached Corral. 10-2 is a phenomenal season at Ole Miss. That's as good as they've done since the 60's.

Did Kiffin call for him to run for 200 yards against us? Was Kiffin on his knees praying that we would **** the bed in the final seconds? Did Kiffin decide that Sam would would go for 2? He is a con man that has rode the hype into a lucrative career. He is not the first who has done it, and won’t be the last. But I have never seen one yet who could conjure up a bigger group of slurpers.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Did Kiffin call for him to run for 200 yards against us? Was Kiffin on his knees praying that we would **** the bed in the final seconds? Did Kiffin decide that Sam would would go for 2? He is a con man that has rode the hype into a lucrative career. He is not the first who has done it, and won’t be the last. But I have never seen one yet who could conjure up a bigger group of slurpers.

I hate the guy too, but they exceeded their projected wins by over 3 games. Objectively that's a pretty good coaching job, even if he sucks every year for the rest of his career, and I hope he does.

P.S. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has consistently more negative posts about Kiffin than me, but I've always thought that what opposing fan lurkers like to see from us more than anything is wild unreasoned rage. I try never to give it to them.

 

[Fightmaker]

I hate the guy too, but they exceeded their projected wins by over 3 games. Objectively that's a pretty good coaching job, even if he sucks every year for the rest of his career, and I hope he does.

P.S. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has consistently more negative posts about Kiffin than me, but I've always thought that what opposing fan lurkers like to see from us more than anything is wild unreasoned rage. I try never to give it to them.

I like and respect your post, but I don’t see my feelings toward Kiffin as unreasoned rage. I see him for what he is. Logically, he is a middle of the road coach. One good season doesn’t change that. Frank Solich could have done the same if he had a famous daddy and rode a bunch of coattails.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I like and respect your post, but I don’t see my feelings toward Kiffin as unreasoned rage. I see him for what he is. Logically, he is a middle of the road coach. One good season doesn’t change that. Frank Solich could have done the same if he had a famous daddy and rode a bunch of coattails.

I'm not saying he's a great coach, they did have a good season though, a lot better than expected, so he's got to get some credit for that. I hope he belly flops next year though.

 

[livefaith]

Kirby's job has been made easier by having top 1-3 classes just about every year now. His job was so easy this year he could get away with playing Stetson Bennett right up til they played a team with equal talent and a better coach. If Heupel had somehow pulled off Ole Miss and Pitt he would of been the clear cut winner IMO.

You mean "Kirby made his job easier", right? It is a collegiate coaches JOB to succeed in recruiting, just as much as it is to coaches em' up and win on the field. Anything that separates recruiting from a coaches job performance is 100% error.

 

[Dudleys87]

Yet, Flobee McSupercuts wins COY.

Ridiculous.

coaches that have loaded roster should’nt be considered. They have to do the least with the most.

 

[njvols]

Where would UT be without Hooker?

Maybe... but probably not in a bowl game. But, fair enough, could say that about a few teams. No way OM would be 10-2, and Bama wouldn’t be SEC champs. QBs rule.