SEC Divisional Winner, Since Florida Has Confused Things

#476
#476
Iam4utalways said:
Let them skip it, it won't matter, we are about to win out and Florida can chicken out of as many games as they want to.
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sorry, can't do that...can't let teams start making their own rules...if they don't play there will be a backlash from the other SEC schools like never seen before.

GO VOLS!
 
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#477
#477
foley and mcelwain will be praying nightly that that UT loses to a&m and alabama, and UF beats uga and arkansas.
 
#479
#479
Cancel AM. "We feel it would be inappropriate to playthis game while thousands are suffering from Hurricane Matthew."
 
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#481
#481
If they don't play then the only fair thing to do is base the division winners on division wins this year (assuming the issue comes up, but if not then they can just leave things be).
 
#482
#482
Once again, if Sankey would enforce the legal definition of shall, this would go away immediately.
 
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peppervol said:
Thanks, NLV. In my limited business law experience, that has always been my interpretation of the legal meaning of "...shall...".
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It is considered that way when it is used in any type of rule or specification. In my field it is an absolute imperative.
 
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#485
The SEC Commissioner's Regulations seem clear.

http://assets.espn.go.com/SEC/media/2016/Final Commissioners Regulations.pdf

First:
SEC Commissioner Regulations said:
If a contest is postponed prior to its start for any reason, the two participating institutions, in consultation
with the Commissioner or his/her designee, shall attempt to reschedule the game at a later time or date.
If the contest cannot be rescheduled, the Commissioner shall cancel the contest
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So its up to LSU and Florida to reschedule this thing. If they cannot do it, the Commissioner must cancel the game.

SEC Commissioner Regulations said:
Cancel - To cancel a contest is to nullify it either before or after it begins and to make no provision for
rescheduling it or for including its score or other performance statistics in Conference records.
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If game is cancelled, the game is nullified - it does not exist. I take that to be be straightforward that a team with a cancelled game does not play an 8 game schedule, and the cancelled game cannot be used - because it is nullified.

Further:
SEC Commissioner Regulations said:
Conference Championship. [SEC Bylaw 30.22.1.3] The Conference champion will be determined by a game
between the two division champions. The team in each division with the highest percentage of wins during all regular season Conference competition will be declared division champion. If two or more teams are tied with the highest
percentage of wins, they will be declared division co-champions. Division standings will be calculated on a percentage
basis, using only those Conference games which are a part of the regular rotating schedule. Details on all tie-breaking
procedures are outlined in these Commissioner's Regulations. The site of the championship game shall be set by a
vote of the Conference member institutions.
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Regular season conference competition seems clear. Nullified games cannot be used in determining the record.
Further down - the note about the "regular rotating schedule" clearly points to the fact that two conference teams who schedule a game with each other that is outside the regular rotating schedule would not count in determining a division winner.
 
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touchdown-tony said:
The SEC Commissioner's Regulations seem clear.

http://assets.espn.go.com/SEC/media/2016/Final Commissioners Regulations.pdf

First:

So its up to LSU and Florida to reschedule this thing. If they cannot do it, the Commissioner must cancel the game.


If game is cancelled, the game is nullified - it does not exist. I take that to be be straightforward that a team with a cancelled game does not play an 8 game schedule, and the cancelled game cannot be used - because it is nullified.

Further:

Regular season conference competition seems clear. Nullified games cannot be used in determining the record.
Further down - the note about the "regular rotating schedule" clearly points to the fact that two conference teams who schedule a game with each other that is outside the regular rotating schedule would not count in determining a division winner.
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Key provision is "with consultation with the commissioner". The commissioner will consult and by consulting has input. They will play the game. Too much $ involved with too many entities such as ESPN etc.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Key provision is "with consultation with the commissioner". The commissioner will consult and by consulting has input. They will play the game. Too much $ involved with too many entities such as ESPN etc.
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I think it gets played - but the Commissioner cannot force it to be played. The schools have the autonomy.

That, of course, does not mean the Commissioner's Office will not apply as much pressure as he can. Thus, odds would seem to be on the side of playing the game.
 
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touchdown-tony said:
I think it gets played - but the Commissioner cannot force it to be played. The schools have the autonomy.

That, of course, does not mean the Commissioner's Office will not apply as much pressure as he can. Thus, odds would seem to be on the side of playing the game.
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I think that could be interpreted more than one way. The commissioner has consulting authority. Which give him input equal. It may have to go to court but I believe a judge would go along with the SEC on this matter.
Also I can't imagine either school allowing it to go that far.
 
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