SEC Country: Settlement the right move

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LA Vol said:
I don't disagree. The plaintiffs' attorneys intended to try this case in the media-- and they did. It was a matter of legal strategy. All attorneys use the media when it makes strategic sense... though UT seldom uses the media effectively, IMO.

The plaintiffs' attorneys were quite successful in making this case appear to be about something it was not. They played the public with great finesse, with the media acting as maestro. I might even shout "bravo!" if I didn't feel that a serious issue had been trivialized in an attempt to legally extort a public university under the guise of civil rights.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. UT didn't have a leg to stand on and when they tried to play the media game, it looked feeble.

Anyone who delved into the documents...

Maybe this is a better way to put it...none of the plaintiffs stayed at the University of Tennessee. That doesn't include people that have been with the University a long time or a short while who resigned or were railroaded.

That should be worrisome to all of us.

Most of, if not all of, the players stayed or got a neat little transfer arranged like Yemi.

There is something wrong with that picture.
 
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vol66 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. UT didn't have a leg to stand on and when they tried to play the media game, it looked feeble.

Anyone who delved into the documents...

Maybe this is a better way to put it...none of the plaintiffs stayed at the University of Tennessee. That doesn't include people that have been with the University a long time or a short while who resigned or were railroaded.

That should be worrisome to all of us.

Most of, if not all of, the players stayed or got a neat little transfer arranged like Yemi.

There is something wrong with that picture.
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Interesting. Are these documents public record (I would assume that they are)? If so, can you give specific page numbers that can be referenced that back this statement? I'm truly interested. If it played out this way then that is beyond disappointing and I can see why a lawsuit was filed. The resignation of employees and blatant prevention of due cause on campus would be harder to fabricate in court documents than the testimony of the accusers.
 
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junder13 said:
Interesting. Are these documents public record (I would assume that they are)? If so, can you give specific page numbers that can be referenced that back this statement? I'm truly interested. If it played out this way then that is beyond disappointing and I can see why a lawsuit was filed. The resignation of employees and blatant prevention of due cause on campus would be harder to fabricate in court documents than the testimony of the accusers.
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Many are public documents and because the Knoxville News Sentinel and the Tennessean are held in such low regard here, I'll post a link to the University of Tennessee school paper.

Tim Rogers' departure due to UT's 'culture of clemency' for sexual assault cases | Opinion | utdailybeacon.com


The e-mails mentioned in the article are easily attainable...
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Glad Cheek is gone. Just hope someone worse is not hired. Taxpayers, ticket buying fans, and students with parents paying tuition will pay for the settlement. Our tickets, tuitions and contributions keep increasing and the athletic product, with a few exceptions, gets worse. Oh wtf, isn't that always the case? A politician can commit all kinds of crimes and go scott free. A kid can sell a bag of dope and go to jail for years. Oh well!!!!!!
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Looks like the article blames Cheek for most of the problems. He was a loser that's for sure. ETSU had the same problem with a guy named Stanton, when I went to school there we had a proud Top 25 BB team but he wrecked the athletic program. SOB.
 
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Originally Posted by junder13 View Post
Interesting. Are these documents public record (I would assume that they are)? If so, can you give specific page numbers that can be referenced that back this statement? I'm truly interested. If it played out this way then that is beyond disappointing and I can see why a lawsuit was filed. The resignation of employees and blatant prevention of due cause on campus would be harder to fabricate in court documents than the testimony of the accusers.

vol66 said:
Many are public documents and because the Knoxville News Sentinel and the Tennessean are held in such low regard here, I'll post a link to the University of Tennessee school paper.

Tim Rogers' departure due to UT's 'culture of clemency' for sexual assault cases | Opinion | utdailybeacon.com


The e-mails mentioned in the article are easily attainable...
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This is a personal essay, not a "document."

"I call on Butch Jones, Josh Dobbs, Donnie Tyndall and every student and faculty member at UT to come out in support of increased transparency of the disciplinary processes relating to student athletes." Thomas Carpenter Mar 9, 2015

So this is why the HC's in one-accord came out in the press conference, showing their support of the university's well-standing. But there's only so much "transparency" when it comes to protecting the names of accusers.

And here's a portion of Josh Dobbs's response to Mr. Thomas: “There’s a lot of distractions outside, a lot of misrepresentations going on outside that we can’t control,” Dobbs said. “We can’t read into that. We can’t get bothered by that. We just have to focus on what we can control, and get better this winter, get better this offseason and prepare for spring ball. “Our hearts and our prayers go out to them. We understand the consequences of peoples’ mistakes that they’ve had. Our hearts and prayers go out to them.

“We pray for them. Hopefully they get peace.” Feb 25 2016 247 Sports

The "mistakes" are in reference to players and their girlfriends, not the university.

Per accusers' atty Randolph Smith's assistance, peace and settlement have been legally attained.
 
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volnpowell said:
I do not know if legally possible, but I wish UT had essentially took the judge to court (had her overruled), because she set the plaintiffs up for a settlement!!!!

She did so by setting a 2018 COURT DATE!!!! UT would have spent over 2 million in legal fees by the time it reached court!!! How is that a speedy trial?

Obviously you had other things that played into them getting a settlement which I believe all has been mentioned.
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Actually, and I may be wrong, but I do not believe an actual court date had been officially set. That was more of a guesstimation to account for the estimated number of motions, rulings, continuances, and other ways of dancing a case around the ballroom that has taken place in other somewhat similar civil actions.

The right to a speedy trial was something conceived by gentlemen long dead, and much of their wisdom died with them. In the place of these dead wise men are a bunch of living wise asses. Not quite the same thing.
 
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Griffith makes a factual error early in the article. Pat Summitt's last national title was in 2008 not 2007. It may be nitpicking but when I catch a mistake like that which is so easy to fact check, it's very distracting and just looks lazy.
 
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He continued to insinuate that UT didn't handle the issues appropriately which appears not to have been the case.

The size of the settlement plus the statement by the plaintiffs spell one thing. They did not have a case.

UT's decision was very easy.... $2.5 million is less than $5 million plus the risk of a unfavorable judgment no matter how small that risk might have been. But that statement was the gravy on top of the taters.
 
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sjt18 said:
He continued to insinuate that UT didn't handle the issues appropriately which appears not to have been the case.

The size of the settlement plus the statement by the plaintiffs spell one thing. They did not have a case.

UT's decision was very easy.... $2.5 million is less than $5 million plus the risk of a unfavorable judgment no matter how small that risk might have been. But that statement was the gravy on top of the taters.
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I was not of a fan of Griffith when he worked for the KNS and I'm still not. In an article which is critical of the UT leadership since 2007 it is more than a small oversight to not even mention the name of Mike Hamilton. He just rambles on and on about Cheek.
 
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vol66 said:
Many are public documents and because the Knoxville News Sentinel and the Tennessean are held in such low regard here, I'll post a link to the University of Tennessee school paper.

Tim Rogers' departure due to UT's 'culture of clemency' for sexual assault cases | Opinion | utdailybeacon.com


The e-mails mentioned in the article are easily attainable...
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The sad part is that people read this and other things that are printed in the media and take it as fact as is - not understanding that it is the view from one side.
 
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LordBolton said:
Looks like the article blames Cheek for most of the problems. He was a loser that's for sure. ETSU had the same problem with a guy named Stanton, when I went to school there we had a proud Top 25 BB team but he wrecked the athletic program. SOB.
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Cheek was not hired to manage the athletic department - he was hired as chancellor to put UT on the path to being a top25 research university. UT athletics was already becoming a dumpster fire when he arrived in '09.

Odd that Griffith didn't mention AD Hamilton, the person who fired CPF and hired both Kiffin and Dooley.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The sad part is that people read this and other things that are printed in the media and take it as fact as is - not understanding that it is the view from one side.
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Maybe.

It's also sad that folks dismiss the obvious and a lot of the missteps made by UT in this situation are obvious.
 
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