SEC coaching shake up coming?

[VolGee4]

He's at a brand new program and happened to get off to a bad start in conference play in a historically strong conference after going 11-3 out of conference. This year isn't your Daddy's SEC, btw. On top of that, he lost his star point guard that pretty much had the same ppg game average as the leading scorer ( 15+ ppg). That's a hit anyway you slice it. The guy was a top 20 scorer in the SEC and lead his team in assists before he got injured.

I guarantee you if they could get him back right now, they would be a much better team. You know as well as I do that's the case. Arguing they wouldn't benefit from a healthy Boogie Fland back on the roster is a really strange argument. If nothing else, they could use him coming off the bench.

A lot of coaches in their first year of a new school might have just folded up for the season after a bad Conference start and losing a star player/point guard like Fland.
Not Coach Cal, tho.
He fired his guys up and got that huge win in Rupp this year ( something we couldn't do). From there , they have been playing a lot better whilst simultaneously starting to gel as a team. All this knowing Boggie Fland won't be returning this year. Not too shabby, bro.

Speaking of not too shabby, that Missouri win was impressive in itself. You and some others may not admit it, but I think you know it even if you won't say it out loud.
They hung right with Auburn and Alabama right to the end recently, too. Had a lead on Auburn at Auburn with just a couple mins or so left.

If they end up making the tournament ( and I believe they will) I won't be surprised at all if they make a little noise. Build off of that, get some guys back, and weave in the two 10 ten 5-star recruits they have coming in. I guarantee you they are markedly better next year.
Wait and see.

First, I never said they would benefit from losing Fland. Not sure how you got that out of it. However, he has better overall talent than UT does even with losing Fland. But that’s been Cal the last 6 years- nothing to show for the talent he’s had. He won the regular season when Covid shut everything down and has no regular season or tournament titles since.

Second, beating Missouri is fine- good for him. But the fact that we are talking about John Calipari and being impressive that they beat Missouri is the very essence of why this is hilarious. He has more on his roster that will play in the NBA or has individual award hardware, and it’s not close. It would be interesting to discuss flipping the coaches for each team.

I don’t care that he went to a new school. He went 35-3 at UK the first year after leaving Memphis. Tougher schedule and before NIL and free transfers. He did take recruits with him just like Arkansas.

I wouldn’t have automatically expected competing for the conference, but he’s 15-11 and 5-9 with an expensive roster. I’m fairly certain that Arkansas fans are disappointed. It’s really not impressive. He will lose Fland, Davis, Aidoo, Thero, and maybe Wagner. He will bring in talent, and he may win some games, but the last 6-7 years are proving that the talent can’t overcome the coaching.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

First, I never said they would benefit from losing Fland. Not sure how you got that out of it. However, he has better overall talent than UT does even with losing Fland. But that’s been Cal the last 6 years- nothing to show for the talent he’s had. He won the regular season when Covid shut everything down and has no regular season or tournament titles since.

Second, beating Missouri is fine- good for him. But the fact that we are talking about John Calipari and being impressive that they beat Missouri is the very essence of why this is hilarious. He has more on his roster that will play in the NBA or has individual award hardware, and it’s not close.

I don’t care that he went to a new school. He went 35-3 at UK the first year after leaving Memphis. Tougher schedule and before NIL and free transfers. He did take recruits with him just like Arkansas.

I wouldn’t have automatically expected competing for the conference, but he’s 15-11 and 5-9 with an expensive roster. I’m fairly certain that Arkansas fans are disappointed. It’s really not impressive. He will lose Fland, Davis, Aidoo, Thero, and maybe Wagner. He will bring in talent, and he may win some games, but the last 6-7 years are proving that the talent can’t overcome the coaching.

6-7 years .....
You said yourself he won the season title in 2020! It's not his fault the rest of the season was canceled. lol
2021 was a pretty f'ed up year for everybody.
There was a deadly pandemic that greatly affected college basketball that year.
As already mentioned, Bruce Pearl went 13-14 that year. To count that year against any coach is a bit silly, bro. Surely, unlike the other guy, you're going to be fair and admit this? Right?

So we talking about 3 years looking back. 3 years, man.
I have already stated that despite still averging 24 regular season wins in those 3 years, he did end up underperforming in post season NCAAT.
It happens. Just ask Bruce Pearl that underperformed as well in those same 3 years post season NCAAT. If you ask him what happened to him in post season NCAAT the last 3 years he's going to tell you, " I underperformed. It happens, man. Even to us Top coaches".

We are now in this year where he has had to set up shop at a new school. Yes, he's an excellent recruiter, so he got some of the Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas, but they still had to mingle/gel with the guys from last year/ new guys he brought in. This can take some time, guy.
It doesn't happen overnight and sometimes it's on into conference play before this necessarily occurs. Whilst waiting for this to happen, it just so happened he lost one of his leading scorers/top point guard. As you agree, that's a big loss.
No matter how you slice it, it's going to affect the team.

So in short, we are down to one season in regards to the original discussion that started this whole train wreck of a debate.

A season that isn't necessarily over yet. lol
It looks like he will be in the NCAAT , and we have no idea how it could all play out.
Anyone saying Cal is washed and his best days are behind him ( which has been echoed by many in this debate) don't know necessarily that.
Like I said, similar things were said about Rick Pitino.

 

[VolGee4]

6-7 years .....
You said yourself he won the confernce title in 2020! It's not his fault the rest of the season was canceled. lol
2021 was a pretty f'ed up year for everybody.
There was a deadly pandemic that greatly affected college basketball that year.
As already mentioned, Bruce Pearl went 13-14 that year. To count that year against any coach is a bit silly, bro. Surely, unlike the other guy, you're going to be fair and admit this? Right?

So we talking about 3 years looking back. 3 years, man.
I have already stated that despite still averging 24 regular season wins in those 3 years, he did end up underperforming in post season NCAAT.
It happens. Just ask Bruce Pearl that underperformed as well in those same 3 years post season NCAAT. If you ask him what happened to him in post season NCAAT the last 3 years he's going to tell you, " I underperformed. It happens, man. Even to us Top coaches".

We are now in this year where he has had to set up shop at a new school. Yes, he's an excellent recruiter, so he got some of the Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas, but they still had to mingle/gel with the guys from last year/ new guys he brought in. This can take some time, guy.
It doesn't happen overnight and sometimes it's on into conference play before this necessarily occurs. Whilst waiting for this to happen, it just so happened he lost one of his leading scorers/top point guard. As you agree, that's a big loss.
No matter how you slice it, it's going to affect the team.

So in short, we are down to one season in regards to the original discussion that started this whole train wreck of a debate.

A season that isn't necessarily over yet. lol
It looks like he will be in the NCAAT , and we have no idea how it could all play out.
Anyone saying Cal is washed and his best days are behind him ( which has been echoed by many in this debate) don't know necessarily that.
Like I said, similar things were said about Rick Pitino.

Agree to disagree. No need to discuss anymore. You can still say he’s a good coach, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that his best days are behind him. I think that’s pretty clear. This place would be a disaster if Barnes had his results the last 5 years with 8 NBA draft picks.

BTW, he went to the Elite Eight in 2019 but didn’t win the regular season or tournament….with PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, and Keldon Johnson. Rick tied him for 2nd and beat him in the conference tournament. So, yea, 6-7 years.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Agree to disagree. No need to discuss anymore. You can still say he’s a good coach, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that his best days are behind him. I think that’s pretty clear. This place would be a disaster if Barnes had his results the last 5 years with 8 NBA draft picks.

No worries, you're entitled to your opinion.
Cal has been a victim of his own success.
It's not that I some Coach Cal lover, bro.
The original guy made a claim in regards that made it sound like Pearl had been lighting it up the last several years in comparison. I just made the mistake of setting him straight/pointing out that's not necessarily the case. I never dreamed he would have such a hard time coping.

A lot of people have this false memory of Pearl in their mind. He actually hasn't did much of anything post NCAAT since he made it to the final 4 several years back.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

BTW, he went to the Elite Eight in 2019 but didn’t win the regular season or tournament….with PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, and Keldon Johnson. Rick tied him for 2nd and beat him in the conference tournament. So, yea, 6-7 years

Elite 8 is a successful year, man. IMO.
Especially since next year he won the regular season and who knows how he could have followed it up (or what might have happened Covid year/2020-21) if not for season cancelation/ all the pandemic mess.
So yeah, 3 years of completed seasons.
I'm going to watch the Houston game .

 

[VolGee4]

Elite is a successful year, man.
Especially since next year he won the regular season and who knows how he could have followed it up, or what might have happened Covid year/2020-21 if not for all the pandemic mess.
So yeah, 3 years of completed seasons.

There is a different standard when you have 3 first round draft picks. I’ve said Barnes is a victim of his own success, but that point came out when people are complaining about a 22-5 season after an Elite Eight. Cal hasn’t been out of the first weekend since his Elite Eight in 2019. There would be chaos here if Barnes couldn’t replicate some of it in the next 5 seasons. I live outside Memphis and have seen him coach for years. Very good motivator…poor floor coach.

 

[VolCalls]

Elite 8 is a successful year, man. IMO.
Especially since next year he won the regular season and who knows how he could have followed it up (or what might have happened Covid year/2020-21) if not for season cancelation/ all the pandemic mess.
So yeah, 3 years of completed seasons.
I'm going to watch the Houston game .

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but an Elite Eight appearance is by no means considered a successful year in Lexington.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but an Elite Eight appearance is by no means considered a successful year in Lexington.

Bro, I mentioned this several pages back. Their fans are delusional and think they should win a championship every year. Many are literally saying Pope has 3 years to get to a final four or they are done with his " experiment ".
An elite 8 in reality is pretty damn good.
You can't get there without having a pretty damn good team and coach.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

There is a different standard when you have 3 first round draft picks. I’ve said Barnes is a victim of his own success, but that point came out when people are complaining about a 22-5 season after an Elite Eight. Cal hasn’t been out of the first weekend since his Elite Eight in 2019. There would be chaos here if Barnes couldn’t replicate some of it in the next 5 seasons. I live outside Memphis and have seen him coach for years. Very good motivator…poor floor coach.

Bro, we going back in circles now. I have already established he was having a great season in 2019- 2020 before the Pandemic screwed that season and the next season up.
If anyone has an ounce of honesty in them they will admit Cal's "underperforming" has just been a 3 year span full season wise.

 

[VolGee4]

Bro, we going back in circles now. I have already established he was having a great season in 2019- 2020 before the Pandemic screwed that season and the next season up.
If anyone has an oune of honesty in them they will admit Cal's "underperforming" has just been a 3 year span full season wise.

No way. You can’t speculate an outcome, and the 2021 season still happened. It is what it is.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

No way. You can’t speculate an outcome, and the 2021 season still happened. It is what it is.

LoL But you can speculate he was going to necessarily underperform ?

2020- It WAS NOT A SEASON CAL UNDER PERFORMANED!!!!!!! He had 25 damn wins win the season was canceled. 25 wins! That is what it is!
Why is this so f'ing hard for anyone to get??
Were are/were talking about him underperforming in a given season. smdh.

2021 Was the Covid year. If you want to take the overwhelming anomaly in his whole career and use that, then knock yourself out ( it's dumb tho when you had top coaches like Pearl going 13-14 completely validating my original argument you may not even be aware of) but guess what, bro?
You still don’t get to 6-7 years, dude.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are indeed as thick in the head as the other guy.

 

[VolGee4]

LoL But you can speculate he was going to necessarily underperform ?

2020- It WAS NOT A SEASON CAL UNDER PERFORMANED!!!!!!! He had 25 damn wins win the season was canceled. 25 wins! That is what it is!
Why is this so f'ing hard for anyone to get??
Were are/were talking about him underperforming in a given season. smdh.

2021 Was the Covid year. If you want to take the overwhelming anomaly in his whole career and use that, then knock yourself out ( it's dumb tho when you had top coaches like Pearl going 13-14 completely validating my original argument you may not even be aware of) but guess what, bro?
You still don’t get to 6-7 years, dude.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are indeed as thick in the head as the other guy.

I’m done. The facts are out there these past seasons. I’m really not because you can’t prove something that didn’t happen. Like I said, it is what it is. Fine, 5 seasons, including this year. No one can dispute he is the same coach as he previously was. Good night.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I’m done. The facts are out there these past seasons. I’m really not because you can’t prove something that didn’t happen. Like I said, it is what it is. Fine, 5 seasons, including this year. No one can dispute he is the same coach as he previously was. Good night.

When the he// did I try to "prove something that didn't happen'? I haven't counted the 2020 season for anything and I've only said that about 10 times this thread.

Facts are he averaged 24 wins the last 3 ( more than that if you count 20') seasons not affected by a deadly virus that killed millions and millions world wide. Not bad regular season average in that time.
Where he really underperformed was in the post season NCAAT. I have ageed with this since the second this debate started. From word go.

The debate was that whilst Pearl had been consistently equaling and even exceeding (this decade) what he had done this past decade, Cal had not. This is completely false as I have laid out many times in this thread.

Where this relates to you is even if you use both the 20 and 21 season in your argument , Pearl DID NOT fair any better than Cal in either of those seasons. Certainly didn't " rival or exceed" what he did the past decade. Same for the last 3 years for Bruce Pearl.

I really wish people on this site would do a little more reading in the threads and little less just wanting to argue for the sake of f'ing arguing.

Lastly,
" no one can dispute he is the same coach he previously was".
No coach is the same coach they previously were unless they duplicate what they previously did.

Is Bruce Pearl the same coach as he was 15 years ago when he went to the Elite 8? 6 years ago when he went to the Final 4?
Last year when he got dealt with by mighty Yale and went out in the first game of the NCAAT?

What you said means absolutely nothing until their coaching careers are wrapped up.
Which is why I said go look at Rick Patino this year and him reviving ANOTHER program.

Good night to you bro, you probably should have stayed out this argument/debate/sh!t show

 

[chuckiepoo]

When the he// did I try to "prove something that didn't happen'? I haven't counted the 2020 season for anything and I've only said that about 10 times this thread.

Facts are he averaged 24 wins the last 3 ( more than that if you count 20') seasons not affected by a deadly virus that killed millions and millions world wide. Not bad regular season average in that time.
Where he really underperformed was in the post season NCAAT. I have ageed with this since the second this debate started. From word go.

The debate was that whilst Pearl had been consistently equaling and even exceeding (this decade) what he had done this past decade, Cal had not. This is completely false as I have laid out many times in this thread.

Where this relates to you is even if you use both the 20 and 21 season in your argument , Pearl DID NOT fair any better than Cal in either of those seasons. Certainly didn't " rival or exceed" what he did the past decade. Same for the last 3 years for Bruce Pearl.

I really wish people on this site would do a little more reading in the threads and little less just wanting to argue for the sake of f'ing arguing.

Lastly,
" no one can dispute he is the same coach he previously was".
No coach is the same coach they previously were unless they duplicate what they previously did.

Is Bruce Pearl the same coach as he was 15 years ago when he went to the Elite 8? 6 years ago when he went to the Final 4?
Last year when he got dealt with by mighty Yale and went out in the first game of the NCAAT?

What you said means absolutely nothing until their coaching careers are wrapped up.
Which is why I said go look at Rick Patino this year and him reviving ANOTHER program.

Good night to you bro, you probably should have stayed out this argument/debate/sh!t show

.

 

[Delmar]

I’m done. The facts are out there these past seasons. I’m really not because you can’t prove something that didn’t happen. Like I said, it is what it is. Fine, 5 seasons, including this year. No one can dispute he is the same coach as he previously was. Good night.

All I know is that for the boatload of talent and a plethora of NBA players that he has had in his career, Cal has exactly one NCAA title and two vacated Final Fours at 2 different schools for cheating. (Worldwide Wes says hey.) Nobody with a brain thinks he was getting all that talent with his magnetic personality alone. Outstanding recruiter by whatever means necessary but a mediocre floor coach. Always has been, always will be.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

All I know is that for the boatload of talent and a plethora of NBA players that he has had in his career, Cal has exactly one NCAA title and two vacated Final Fours at 2 different schools for cheating. (Worldwide Wes says hey.) Nobody with a brain thinks he was getting all that talent with his magnetic personality alone. Outstanding recruiter by whatever means necessary but a mediocre floor coach. Always has been, always will be.

Cal can’t rely on talent alone to win games anymore.

Too many teams have great players now. Not just him.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

All I know .....

You don't know much, then. At the very least missed some things/are poorly informed.

Besides the two vacated Final 4's (to which he has been completely cleared of wrongdoing btw) over 3 different schools, Coach Calipari also has 2 other Final 4's, 6 Elite 8's, 3 Sweet Sixteens, and Runner up for a National Championship.

Add the Natty for the year he became a made man by winning a National Championship at KY, and that is 13 post season appearances of Sweet Sixteen or greater, 10 seasons of Elite 8 or greater, 4 seasons of Final Four or greater, and 2 Seasons playing for all the Marbles.

Not to mention a PLETHORA of Season titles and Conference Championship titles. The guy is also 9th in Division 1 all-time wins, and he has been inducted into the basketball Hall Of Fame!

Probably just really lucky, tho.....



Coach Calipari has more tournament wins than ANY active NCAAM basketball coach.
He is also 5th on the All-Time NCAAT wins.

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

You’re right about Auburn. They aren’t a traditional basketball power, but Bruce won’t be invited back. Not a chance. He lied to our administration and the NCAA here. That isn’t a stain you overcome at the scene of the crime.

He took dog **** Auburn into the best program in colllegr basketball.

Auburn isn’t even a real SEC university. Whereas every other school is a Southern state flagship—Auburn sounds like a crayola crayon.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

He took dog **** Auburn into the best program in colllegr basketball.

Auburn isn’t even a real SEC university. Whereas every other school is a Southern state flagship—Auburn sounds like a crayola crayon.

What’s your point? He isn’t coming back here.

 

[joevols89]

What’s your point? He isn’t coming back here.

My sources say we’ve already offered him and he has his bags packed and ready to go.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

My sources say we’ve already offered him and he has his bags packed and ready to go.

I stand corrected.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I didn't think old washed up Cal and the hoggies had much of a chance to make it to the big dance after they lost one of their leading scorers again this year. Losing Thiero now means they have lost their #1 and #2 leading scorer on the team. That's nearly 32 points a game they have had to find as a team.
Somehow they have still been able to win 3 of their final 4, and besides the adjustment game against South Carolina, they haven't looked too bad doing it, either.
They may get bounced first game of the tournament, but if they did somehow win a couple that would be pretty impressive all things considered.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Pitino’s best days are behind him. Cal’s best days are behind him. Pitino is a much better floor coach than Cal though.

In any case, Cal hasn’t been churning out NBA players like he used to in either quantity or quality, so saying his focus on sending guys to the NBA is why he hasn’t had as much tournament success just further serves to make you look like you have no clue what you’re talking about. I’m done discussing this topic that is blatantly obvious to everyone on Earth but the one stubborn fool who is still slurping on Cal’s little cannoli, though, so I hope you enjoy the 1 seed in the NIT and it reminds you of the Golden Years.

Oof....this post aged like milk in a hot car.

 

[EZE]

Agree to disagree. No need to discuss anymore. You can still say he’s a good coach, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that his best days are behind him. I think that’s pretty clear. This place would be a disaster if Barnes had his results the last 5 years with 8 NBA draft picks.

BTW, he went to the Elite Eight in 2019 but didn’t win the regular season or tournament….with PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, and Keldon Johnson. Rick tied him for 2nd and beat him in the conference tournament. So, yea, 6-7 years.

Are you saying Cal is a bad coach?

There is a legit argument about whether he currently is a “great” or “elite” coach. But there is little doubt in my mind that he is a very good coach, and still one of the better coaches in the country.

 

[VolGee4]

Are you saying Cal is a bad coach?

There is a legit argument about whether he currently is a “great” or “elite” coach. But there is little doubt in my mind that he is a very good coach, and still one of the better coaches in the country.

He’s not a great floor coach. He’s an elite recruiter and very good motivator.

I give him credit for turning this year around, but they have serious talent on that Arkansas team.