SEC coaches

[bamawriter]

Anyone who doesnt have Smart as as a tier one coach is being foolish.

I would say that Kirby is the second best coach in the conference. But he's not on Saban's level. No one is.

 

[TJSVOLS]

Don't have an agenda and know he has been good but let's see how he does running the show without the elite recruits. Whole lot of coordinators with rings but how many get the same results leaving to less talented places. Hell how many have got them under Saban and left, have been able to beat him? None. Being good as a coordinator doesn't automatically translate over to being a good coach.

I think if you go back and check almost all head coaches were coordinators at one time, so maybe we can give him a chance without being so negative about everything he does.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

. . . See who is a great "coach" and see who is at the right place at the right time and just has a knack for recruiting. That might change how we "rank" these coaches. . .

I don't think there are any coaches viewed as "great" that are only outstanding recruiters. If you want to be good in the SEC, you have to have both. There are very, very few HS players that just walk on the field and ball out. You have to make them bigger, stronger, faster and smarter.

 

[Mtnvol80]

College football is about recruiting. When the "less talented places" get a new coach, the biggest challenge for the new coach is to make them more talented. If he can't do that, he's not going to win a lot, no matter how good he may be with the X's and O's. Let's see a how CJP and his staff recruit through a couple of full cycles before we judge too much.

Spot on. Pretty much been my point. Greatest coach in the world want do much without the athletes.

 

[Mtnvol80]

I think if you go back and check almost all head coaches were coordinators at one time, so maybe we can give him a chance without being so negative about everything he does.

I'm not negative. Im a fan that sees things for what they are are without my fandom blinding me. He has to out recruit the power teams or he doesn't even stand a chance and right now we're just middle of the pack in the sec

 

[amavol2]

Muschamp failed at Florida!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KBVol]

I hate to say it but Mason has done more with less than allot of coaches, say what you will

He really has. After looking like one of the most clueless and feckless head coaches I’ve ever seen in year one, the dude has grown in the job, hit his stride and now has a pretty solid team in Nashville. I’m all but certain he’ll beat Tennessee for the 3rd time in 5 tries later this season.

 

[TN Outlaw]

I don't think there are any coaches viewed as "great" that are only outstanding recruiters. If you want to be good in the SEC, you have to have both. There are very, very few HS players that just walk on the field and ball out. You have to make them bigger, stronger, faster and smarter.

Yes, I know and agree.

In the same respect, just because you are great at all the intangibles don't mean you will be great. Also, there is probably less than a handful of "great" coaches in the NCAA according to how most of us judge them. (Amount of greatness and amount of time sustained, some at more than one university)

So Kirby Smart seems to be just under Saban on most people's list. Undoubtedly because what he did last year but do you believe had he went to Vandy that last year Vandy would have fell just short of a Nat Champ in his 2nd year? If coach O were at Ark instead of LSU, could they beat Auburn last week? We are judging which coaches are best and worst but are judging across very uneven playing fields. Some places are way easier to recruit to, some coaches walk into loaded rosters and some get the leftovers. It's very uneven and almost impossible to judge all coaches. Especially early in their career.

I guess my point is where you are and your timing makes a huge difference in your results as well as your intangibles. I would like to see which coaches would actually be best on even playing fields.

 

[I_Bleed_Orange77]

My bad. I forget beating Butch Jones is the hallmark of a good coach.

He's not. They were beating us before he ink here.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Yes, I know and agree.

In the same respect, just because you are great at all the intangibles don't mean you will be great. Also, there is probably less than a handful of "great" coaches in the NCAA according to how most of us judge them. (Amount of greatness and amount of time sustained, some at more than one university)

So Kirby Smart seems to be just under Saban on most people's list. Undoubtedly because what he did last year but do you believe had he went to Vandy that last year Vandy would have fell just short of a Nat Champ in his 2nd year? If coach O were at Ark instead of LSU, could they beat Auburn last week? We are judging which coaches are best and worst but are judging across very uneven playing fields. Some places are way easier to recruit to, some coaches walk into loaded rosters and some get the leftovers. It's very uneven and almost impossible to judge all coaches. Especially early in their career.

I guess my point is where you are and your timing makes a huge difference in your results as well as your intangibles. I would like to see which coaches would actually be best on even playing fields.

I don't know exactly how to rank us in terms of the significance of the rebuild, but I am comfortable saying that Kirby Smart walked into a heck of a lot better situation than did Pruitt.

 

[a vol n tears]

I think a good coach with average talent (Stoops) will win more than a poor coach with great talent (Jones-Richt). It’s when you get both that championships show up.

 

[Gandalf]

How many does Pruitt have as a head coach? How many different assistants have rings cause of Saban? Coordinators come and go thru a revolving door there yet bama still competes for a Natty almost yearly. News flash, it's cause Saban runs the ship. Doesn't hurt to have elite talent everywhere and 2 and 3 deep at nearly every position. Depressing fact, Butch will prob get a Natty this year and maybe multiple Natty's before he leaves for a mid tier coaching position

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I think a good coach with average talent (Stoops) will win more than a poor coach with great talent (Jones-Richt). It’s when you get both that championships show up.

I sure don't put Botch on par with Mark Richt. Richt's teams often had a head scratching loss but the guy won almost 75% of his games, 2 SEC Championships, has won at least 10 games, beat Saban a couple of times, beat Dabo, and his players seemed to love him and still go to bat for him (see Aaron Murray and David Pollack). I think a lot of Richt's troubles in the Saban era is that he WASN'T willing to do anything to win. Botch on the other hand was a cheap snake oil salesman in over his head from day 1.

 

[TJSVOLS]

I'm not negative. Im a fan that sees things for what they are are without my fandom blinding me. He has to out recruit the power teams or he doesn't even stand a chance and right now we're just middle of the pack in the sec

Most Everything you said is true but it seems that some people don't want to give him a chance to do what he needs to do.

 

[landscapingvol]

Pruitt hasn't proven anything as a head coach and belongs in a group with the other first year head coaches in the SEC. He has shown very little thus far to suggest he is going to be successful other than recruiting; CBJ and Dooley could recruit too.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Tier 1:
Saban

Tier 2:
Gus
Jimbo
Kirby

Tier 3:
Muschamp
Mullen
Orgeron
Stoops

Tier 4:
Mason
Pruitt
Morehead
Odom

Tier 5:
Morris
Luke

I'd probably lump the last 5 in the bottom tier until they prove themselves.

Swap Mullen and Muschamp and Orgeron and Stoops.

Orgeron hasn't ever proven anything as a head coach and LSU looks almost identical to how they have looked under Miles. Loads of talent and cant put an offense together.

JMO

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Don't know if you've noticed but Pruitt's defenses have been good at every stop not just Alabama, but I don't think that fits your agenda

His defense had its issues at times when he was at Georgia. 70 points in 2 games against UT as an example.

 

[hUTch2002]

I think you could probably put Kurbi in tier one at this point.

While it appears to be heading that way, Richt had a better record at this point than Smart and that was against a better East too. Smart’s recruiting is definitely on another level though.

 

[TJSVOLS]

His defense had its issues at times when he was at Georgia. 70 points in 2 games against UT as an example.

And Saban's defense has had its problems going up against Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M I think most defenses have had their problems at times.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

And Saban's defense has had its problems going up against Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M I think most defenses have had their problems at times.

True but Saban has probably earned a tad more leash than Pruitt at this point.

Manziel probably isn't a great example either. I don't recall Jones trotting out a Heisman trophy winner in those games.

Pruitt was also on the staff as DB coach for Bama in 2012 when Manziel beat Bama.

 

[TJSVOLS]

True but Saban has probably earned a tad more leash than Pruitt at this point.

Manziel probably isn't a great example either. I don't recall Jones trotting out a Heisman trophy winner in those games.

Pruitt was also on the staff as DB coach for Bama in 2012 when Manziel beat Bama.

I guess I'm just saying that I think that Pruitt is the first real football coach we have had in quite a while, now he may fall flat on his face but after the last two clowns we've had I'm willing to go on a little faith here.

 

[Thorp32]

I think a good coach with average talent (Stoops) will win more than a poor coach with great talent (Jones-Richt). It’s when you get both that championships show up.

I agree. Great post. Kentucky is one heck of a team this year. I enjoy watching them play. They have one of the best QB and RB combos in the SEC and they play extremely hard all game.

 

[Forever151]

Tier 1 ( National Champions )

Saban
Fisher

Tier 2 ( Almost Elite )

Smart
Gus

Tier 3 ( Win Most )

Mullen
Orgeron

Tier 4 ( Win Some and Lose Some

Muschamp
Mason
Stoops
Odom


Tier 4 ( Need more evidence they can coach )

Pruitt
Morris
Luke
Morehead

 

[VolsO&W]

Tier 1 ( National Champions )

Saban
Fisher

Tier 2 ( Almost Elite )

Smart
Gus

Tier 3 ( Win Most )

Mullen
Orgeron

Tier 4 ( Win Some and Lose Some

Muschamp
Mason
Stoops
Odom


Tier 4 ( Need more evidence they can coach )

Pruitt
Morris
Luke
Morehead

I mean... no way Jimbo should be in the same tier as Saban. Only has 1 title. Saban's coaching tree way overshadow's Jimbo's

 

[rusty11]

Gus has had too many bad seasons with good talent. Look at his record. Win 10+, next year win 6-7, rinse and repeat.

If Jimbo is so good, why did he let FSU implode after losing QB? One player and out? Did he develop them correctly. I admit they looked dangerous against Clemson but that is one game and maybe it was an off game for Clemson.

Last season, Orgeron was Les Miles 2.0: did you see the Troy game? He even failed to put away Tennessee until the storm kicked in and Tennessee self-imploded. Granted he's doing much better this season but don't over do it.

Next to Saban, name any active Head Coach or Assistant Coach with as many National Championships as Pruitt. Especially one with less than 10 years at the collegiate level of coaching.

Yeah, but it proves that giving him the job was better than breaking the bank because no matter what, they are only at best gonna be 2nd in the division until Saban is gone!