Scroggins

#76
#76
oUTKickedCoverage said:
Dropping Boyd in the assumption that he would hurt our chances with another QB the following year.

Failing to offer Rettig or Brunetti early for fear of running of Scroggins or Heaps.

Then potentially hurting our relationship with Scroggins by offering Rettig when BC unexpectedly offered before the Scroggins announcement. <- dont put a lot of credence in this

And yeah, I think everyone makes mistakes... and anyone who refuses to admit to it is a weak minded idiot with a Napoleonic complex.

Now, that being said... he doesn't owe anyone an apology or anything like that. He shot for the moon, and I won't fault the guy for doing that. I'm just acknowledging that perhaps it was a tad risky considering our QB situation.
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Not a bad list.

Add... The other miscalculation on Boyd may have been that BJ would not bolt and would stick around for the competition. Thus, they didn't plan on having less than two QBs for spring 2010. BJ's move complicated things for the Vols QB plan. If we didn't have BJ when the Boyd decision was made, they might have been delighted to have Boyd.

Agree with conclusion. Everybody makes mistakes. This is just hindsight, but that's what we do best ;-).
 
#77
#77
oUTKickedCoverage said:
Dropping Boyd in the assumption that he would hurt our chances with another QB the following year.

Failing to offer Rettig or Brunetti early for fear of running of Scroggins or Heaps.

Then potentially hurting our relationship with Scroggins by offering Rettig when BC unexpectedly offered before the Scroggins announcement. <- dont put a lot of credence in this

And yeah, I think everyone makes mistakes... and anyone who refuses to admit to it is a weak minded idiot with a Napoleonic complex.

Now, that being said... he doesn't owe anyone an apology or anything like that. He shot for the moon, and I won't fault the guy for doing that. I'm just acknowledging that perhaps it was a tad risky considering our QB situation.
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Yeah, having Tahj Boyd and his gimp leg around would be a huge help. Probably cost us the '10 National Title.
 
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In this balanced pro-styled offense, why are we so fixated with getting a top-QB prospect? The Bammers had their run with John Sarah Parker Williams, and we won the national championship with Tee Martin who is not considered an all-world QB. But, he fit our system at the time. Peyton Manning was the exception to the rule. We need a QB that is perfect for our system, not the perfect QB. That being said, I don't think it's any of our current QB's.
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#81
#81
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, having Tahj Boyd and his gimp leg around would be a huge help. Probably cost us the '10 National Title.
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It's not that big of a loss, but a second arm in spring practice 2010 was more what I was thinking. They've got Lam now, though, so life goes on.

2010 is rumored to be looking like a worse year for us than is 2009. Is that your read, Hat?
 
#82
#82
I MISS THE BOWL BROS. said:
Hey Hat were do you think this Scroggins kid will go?
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I never bet against USC in a recruiting race. It's amazing how little coverage his decision is getting from the beat writers at the LA Times and the Daily News. I guess when you've already got star recruits holding clipboards, one guy doesn't merit a big fuss.
 
#83
#83
utmba93 said:
It's not that big of a loss, but a second arm in spring practice 2010 was more what I was thinking. They've got Lam now, though, so life goes on.

2010 is rumored to be looking like a worse year for us than is 2009. Is that your read, Hat?
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We'll see. I'll be interested to see how JUCO intensive this next recruiting class becomes. If they are able to get some ready to play linemen, I don't see why there would be any real dropoff from '09 to '10.
 
#84
#84
oUTKickedCoverage said:
Because I'm not sure what other logical reasons existed considering

A. we didn't fill our 25 scholarship allotment last season

B. we did offer Brunetti and Rettig after they received other offers

C. See B
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Fair enough. I am not picking on you but I detest all of the people who get on here and act like they are attendees of this staffs recruiting strategy meetings. Nobody knows what their strategy and plan is for a QB, or any other position for that matter. Yet they get on here with 10,000+ post threads regarding a recruit and how our world will end if we don’t get him.
 
#85
#85
VolDad said:
And the way you know what our coaches are assuming, fearing, and thinking is?
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Hello Voldad...I have to agree that letting Boyd go was a premature and quite frankly a "not so smart" decision. The big time QB recruit ahead of him at CU (Willie Korn) has raved about his arm strength and future potential from watching him practice...not to mention he's a proven winner at Phoebus HS in Va. with a couple of VA. state championships under his belt.

As a coach you never, ever, send a kid of this caliber "away".

Especially when Boyd and your future stud RB produce like this...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2009-01-03-army-all-american-bowl_N.htm
 
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#86
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To SC and their locals, he is a top flight back up to Barkley.

Very different out look on our end.
 
#87
#87
PrattvilleVol said:
Hello Voldad...I have to agree that letting Boyd go was a premature and quite frankly a "not so smart" decision. The big time QB recruit ahead of him at CU (Willie Korn) has raved about his arm strength and future potential from watching him practice...not to mention he's a proven winner at Phoebus HS in Va. with a couple of VA. state championships under his belt.

As a coach you never, ever, send a kid of this caliber "away".

Especially when Boyd and your future stud RB produce like this...

Hampton (Va.) QB Boyd shines in Army All-American Bowl - USATODAY.com
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Man, Boyd didn't do anything in that game. He just tossed it up and Brown did all the work. Goes to show how Brown can make anybody look like a stud.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I never bet against USC in a recruiting race. It's amazing how little coverage his decision is getting from the beat writers at the LA Times and the Daily News. I guess when you've already got star recruits holding clipboards, one guy doesn't merit a big fuss.
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yes , you are on the money, he's not the big story at all.
its SEC FOOTBALL!
 
#89
#89
oUTKickedCoverage said:
For a lawyer, your grasp on sentence structure is very bad.

"very unlucky with the limited number of top QBs this season."

Most of the top prospects were already down to their finalists before the current staff was hired... but we just landed a top ten class with the current staff, so I'm not really sure what you are implying here?

Are QBs too smart to commit to Tennessee, whereas the skill players aren't smart enough to avoid us?
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Its not a question of smarts. Its a question of what program they perceive is best suited to showcase their skills. My point, originally, is that right now UT is not the place that I would think would come to mind for the top QB prospects. Especially not relative to the other schools we are talking about.

Just my opinion of what would seem to be their perception. I'd say that so far my theory is reasonable.
 
#90
#90
I think one thing that hurts us, recruiting-wise, was Crompton's performance last year. Southern Cal, or few other schools for that matter, has never experienced turning a blue-chip quarterback into a walking disaster.
 
#91
#91
lawgator1 said:
Its not a question of smarts. Its a question of what program they perceive is best suited to showcase their skills. My point, originally, is that right now UT is not the place that I would think would come to mind for the top QB prospects. Especially not relative to the other schools we are talking about.

Just my opinion of what would seem to be their perception. I'd say that so far my theory is reasonable.
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Well, not to bring him up again but Tajh Boyd committed last year with even less knowledge of the coaching staff than the QBs of this class.

Your theory makes sense until you actually look at the circumstances. The QBs UT went after hardest were Bell, Heaps and Scroggins. Two of them live across the country, and you can't blame Bell for committing to Oklahoma. It's not like QBs are completely ignoring UT, who's finished 2nd or 3rd for a few of them so far.
 
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billbattle said:
I think one thing that hurts us, recruiting-wise, was Crompton's performance last year. Southern Cal, or few other schools for that matter, has never experienced turning a blue-chip quarterback into a walking disaster.
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Actually, the fans played a huge role in the demise of Crompton's mental state. Just read all the negativity on here. People are already sour grapes right now because we don't have Scroggins. Half the things on here wouldn't be said if we knew we had him. At least wait and see before you get all negative.
 
#97
#97
billbattle said:
I think one thing that hurts us, recruiting-wise, was Crompton's performance last year. Southern Cal, or few other schools for that matter, has never experienced turning a blue-chip quarterback into a walking disaster.
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this is true.....BUT, if we correct this, and if Crompton comes out and has a great year, and suddenly with almost the same players as last year we go from 5-7 to 7-5 or better, we might convince the recruits that our coaches can coach and that we are very very very serious about winning. I do think Crompton will have a good year, and I think that we'll get a good QB in Stephens as well, regardless of what the '10 class brings.
 
#98
#98
lawgator1 said:
Its not a question of smarts. Its a question of what program they perceive is best suited to showcase their skills. My point, originally, is that right now UT is not the place that I would think would come to mind for the top QB prospects. Especially not relative to the other schools we are talking about.

Just my opinion of what would seem to be their perception. I'd say that so far my theory is reasonable.
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Unless Lane Kiffin just does an amazingly bad job, we'd be capable of competing for a title by any signee's sophmore year more than likely... and on national TV almost every game with the new SEC contract.

Looking through the Rivals.com database, I can't find a program in the country that had more 4+ star QBs including them as a finalist than Tennessee.

It just so happens...
our #1 choice was a mormon... he went to BYU

our #2 choice is a USC fan, from Los Angeles, and earned an offer by winning a skills competition at their camp... USC is a huge favorite tomorrow in that race.

our #3 guy publicly said he'd commit to the first program that offered him, Boston College got there first. He committed to BC a few days later.

I do think there is a very good chance we get Brunetti away from West Virginia if Scroggins commits to USC... also a decent chance of landing Legeaux.
 
#99
#99
lawgator1 said:
If you were an NFL-prospect QB coming out of high school, would you choose a rebuilding program that has historically focused on the run, or would you go to a team that is a perennial national contender and has the speed at WR that will help make you that first round pick everyone thinks you can be?

I mean, duh.
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Tennessee has way too much talent to be considered just a "rebuilding" program. Tennessee is a QB away from being a top 20 team.

If he was concerned about a domineering running game, why would he go to USC? They are Running Back U. Looks like it worked out well for Matt Cassel, but not so much for the guy that actually played.
 
#100
#100
By pulling the "historically focused on the run" card, you just eliminated 90% of the country.

Who was focused on the run less than Tennessee?


It wasn't that long ago that the best teams in the SWC and Big Eight ran the wishbone, and the entire Big Ten stubbornly refused to pass because it was "too cold".

I really don't see what our supposed offensive philosophy under a different coaching staff has to do with making recruits less likely to come here when nearly every fall Sunday of their lives when they turn the TV on Peyton Manning is playing and breaking records.

Neither of them should have any bearing considering its a new coaching staff, but if either did... I suspect it would be Peyton Manning.

Besides, wasn't your original point that no QB with any sense would pick Tennessee right now? Have you watered it down to the point where its now, "USC is a better choice than Tennessee"? Well, duh... it's a better choice than anyone, including Florida unless you are built like Tebow/Vince Young. Particularly if you want a guaranteed spot in the NFL someday...

Of course every starting Tennessee QB who has started the majority of games in a season since Steve Alatorre(1981) has at least gotten a spot on a NFL roster... except Andy Kelly who would have if he hadn't gotten hurt in the offseason. But we're definitely a running team.
 
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