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[volbeast33]

So ND, FSU, UGA, and Texas (lately) haven't done anything with their 4 and 5 star recruits but we have? :blink:

You do realize that dooleys recruits were just sophomores don't u? He hasn't proven he can get the job done yet but he hasn't proven he can't yet either.

 

[UT_King]

You do realize that dooleys recruits were just sophomores don't u? He hasn't proven he can get the job done yet but he hasn't proven he can't yet either.

Thats the whole point.

And please find where I said he can't.

 

[Vol8188]

So ND, FSU, UGA, and Texas (lately) haven't done anything with their 4 and <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">5 star</a> recruits but we have? :blink:

TX FSU Georgia ND UT
Rivals 2006:5 2006: 3 2006: 4 2006: 8 2006: 23
2007:5 2007: 21 2007: 9 2007: 8 2007: 3
2008:16 2008: 9 2008: 7 2008: 2 2008: 35
2009:5 2009: 7 2009: 6 2009: 21 2009: 10

Record 2009: 13-1 2009: 7-6 2009: 8-5 2009: 6-6 2009: 7-6
2010: 5-7 2010: 10-4 2010: 6-7 2010: 8-5 2010: 6-7
2011: 8-5 2011: 9-4 2011: 10-4 2011: 8-5 2011: 5-7

So without counting TN, the other 4 teams mentioned have had 12 total top 10 recruiting classes, but only 2 10+ win seasons.

Tennessee had two good years when it comes to bringing in talent that "everyone wanted" as you said earlier, but none of those players were able to stay on campus. We all know what happened to the 4 recruits in Kiffin's 2009 class (3 gone for armed robbery, 1 for drugs).

Yet, Alabama has had very similiar recruting success, and seen success on the field. The obvious difference here is recruiting evaluation. So for you to act like because Dooley has yet to have a 3 star player who went on to become an All-American, means that Dooley and his staff have yet to prove they can evaluate, makes a crazy person.

He proved to me he could evaluate players when M. Jackson started at LG as a true freshman. Maggitt and Johnson started as true freshmen. Coleman and Randolph started as true freshmen. Young was our return man as a true freshman. Couch started in his first season. And D Rogers lead the SEC in receiving.

So yes, Dooley has proven to me that he can evaluate players.

 

[Vol8188]

You do realize that dooleys recruits were just sophomores don't u? He hasn't proven he can get the <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">job</a> done yet but he hasn't proven he can't yet either.

Honestly the only soph I counted as a Dooley recruit last year was D. Rogers, and all he did was lead the SEC in receiving. And then Dooley only had about half his freshman class come in and make significant contributions. If those things don't make people think this guy can evaluate a recruit, then there's no hope for those people.

 

[Vol8188]

And of all the players that have had whatever successes were highly recruited players. They weren't some <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">diamond</a> in the rough that no one wanted. The only player that could fit that bill is Young.

They don't have to be "diamond in the rough" players for Dooley to be good at evaluating talent. There are plenty of 4-5 star players who bust every year. That was the entire reason for my statements about ND, TX, FSU, and GA. Look how well they recruit. Then look at how they play.

Dooley's 1 class was great. No one should have any reason to question his "evaluations".

You do know that Dooley doesn't just look at Rivals and ESPN to decide who he is going to recruit, right? You do understand that he actually "evaluates" these players?

 

[UT_King]

Honestly the only soph I counted as a Dooley recruit last year was D. Rogers, and all he did was lead the SEC in receiving. And then Dooley only had about half his freshman class come in and make significant contributions. If those things don't make people think this guy can evaluate a recruit, then there's no hope for those people.

I'm sure the complete lack of depth and almost non-existent senior and junior classes had nothing to do with it.

Look, you can measure Dooley and his player evaluations based off any and all you want buddy. I'll measure them off Wins.

 

[fade route]

Recruiting class rankings and stars should be given out at the END of the players careers, but I guess that won't sell magazines and get internet traffic, so we're stuck with media and internet tools (including some on VN) saying a kid coming out of HS has "NFL potential". Good grief.



Edit: I realize nobody is projecting that on this kid.....I meant it as a general statement.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm sure the complete lack of depth and almost non-existent senior and junior classes had nothing to do with it.

Look, you can measure Dooley and his player evaluations based off any and all you want buddy. I'll measure them off Wins.

Because it makes complete sense to judge a freshman class based on their record as freshmen?

 

[UT_King]

Because it makes complete sense to judge a freshman class based on their record as freshmen?

Proven... the word that started this discussion. I believe the word you are looking for is POTENTIAL. Yea, the current junior and sophomore classes have a lot of potential. But that's what this upcoming season and next season will PROVE right?

 

[johndoevol]

Proven... the word that started this discussion. I believe the word you are looking for is POTENTIAL. Yea, the current junior and sophomore classes have a lot of potential. But that's what this upcoming season and next season will PROVE right?

Well, he has proved that he can bring some talent, he has proved that he can help some players develop their talent, but the most important thing, wins and losses, is about to be proved. You just have to wait a few more months.

But I see your point :thumbsup:

 

[UT_King]

Well, he has proved that he can bring some talent, he has proved that he can help some players develop their talent, but the most important thing, wins and losses, is about to be proved. You just have to wait a few more months.

But I see your point :thumbsup:

We can only hope :yes:

 

[Hbd10]

TX FSU Georgia ND UT
Rivals 2006:5 2006: 3 2006: 4 2006: 8 2006: 23
2007:5 2007: 21 2007: 9 2007: 8 2007: 3
2008:16 2008: 9 2008: 7 2008: 2 2008: 35
2009:5 2009: 7 2009: 6 2009: 21 2009: 10

Record 2009: 13-1 2009: 7-6 2009: 8-5 2009: 6-6 2009: 7-6
2010: 5-7 2010: 10-4 2010: 6-7 2010: 8-5 2010: 6-7
2011: 8-5 2011: 9-4 2011: 10-4 2011: 8-5 2011: 5-7

So without counting TN, the other 4 teams mentioned have had 12 total top 10 recruiting classes, but only 2 10+ win seasons.
Tennessee had two good years when it comes to bringing in talent that "everyone wanted" as you said earlier, but none of those players were able to stay on campus. We all know what happened to the 4 recruits in Kiffin's 2009 class (3 gone for armed robbery, 1 for drugs).

Yet, Alabama has had very similiar recruting success, and seen success on the field. The
obvious difference here is recruiting evaluation. So for you to act like because Dooley has yet to have a 3 star player who went on to become an All-American, means that Dooley and his staff have yet to prove they can evaluate, makes a crazy person.
He proved to me he could evaluate players when M. Jackson started at LG as a true freshman. Maggitt and Johnson started as true freshmen. Coleman and Randolph started as true freshmen. Young was our return man as a true freshman. Couch started in his first season. And D Rogers lead the SEC in receiving.
So yes, Dooley has proven to me that he can evaluate players.

Great post!