Scarlett Johannson Suing Over Black Widow Online Release

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CagleMtnVol said:
Possibly just the beginning..



This could be just the tipping point is Warner Bros. next because of HBO MAX or Paramount with Paramount+.
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Warner Bros right before announcing they were releasing all their movies on hbomax renegotiated contracts with anyone who had a salary based on boxoffice performance. Heard that it cost them 200 million but it was to prevent these types of lawsuits. Denzel Washington got 20 million extra for a hbomax release. But don’t know if you want to mess with the mouse.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Possibly just the beginning..



This could be just the tipping point is Warner Bros. next because of HBO MAX or Paramount with Paramount+.
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I'm torn on new releases streaming...we are putting together an outdoor media center for football and movies...but I don't want theaters to go away..because some movies I just want to watch with overpriced popcorn and amazing sound
 
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If these actresses want to sue anyone, it ought to be their agents for not including a stipulation in their contracts for how long after it was released in theaters before it could be streamed. I’m assuming they sign contracts to perform in movies and pay professional agent companies with hoards of lawyers who they pay 10-15% for representation. They’re the ones who dropped the ball
 
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walkenvol said:
If these actresses want to sue anyone, it ought to be their agents for not including a stipulation in their contracts for how long after it was released in theaters before it could be streamed. I’m assuming they sign contracts to perform in movies and pay professional agent companies with hoards of lawyers who they pay 10-15% for representation. They’re the ones who dropped the ball
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In Johansson’s case that movie was completed before the pandemic.
 
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walkenvol said:
If these actresses want to sue anyone, it ought to be their agents for not including a stipulation in their contracts for how long after it was released in theaters before it could be streamed. I’m assuming they sign contracts to perform in movies and pay professional agent companies with hoards of lawyers who they pay 10-15% for representation. They’re the ones who dropped the ball
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The movie was supposed to come out in May 2020. Filming had wrapped way before the pandemic shut theaters down. They held out longer than most to make sure it was released in the theater at all.

Going forward I’m sure this will be included in contracts.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The movie was supposed to come out in May 2020. Filming had wrapped way before the pandemic shut theaters down. They held out longer than most to make sure it was released in the theater at all.

Going forward I’m sure this will be included in contracts.
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Streaming didn’t start with the pandemic. Her compensation was tied to box office sales. Her representation should have been competent enough to include specifics in her contract that would affect the box office sales such as required advertising, releasing in the maximum number of theaters, and the amount of time after the movie’s release before it could be released to streaming.

Yea I’ll agree they will include such things in future contracts, but corporate lawyers are hired to anticipate problems and protect your interests. These guys/gals failed Johansson and should be held accountable for their poor performance.
 
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walkenvol said:
Streaming didn’t start with the pandemic. Her compensation was tied to box office sales. Her representation should have been competent enough to include specifics in her contract that would affect the box office sales such as required advertising, releasing in the maximum number of theaters, and the amount of time after the movie’s release before it could be released to streaming.

Yea I’ll agree they will include such things in future contracts, but corporate lawyers are hired to anticipate problems and protect your interests. These guys/gals failed Johansson and should be held accountable for their poor performance.
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Almost instant streaming availability wasn’t an option for big budget movies until the pandemic virtually decked theaters. It’s still their preferred route but even they may have been surprised how much more money is available when traditional runs are petering out after opening weekends. The point is that when Johannsen signed up to do this movie, this was a non-issue.
 
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walkenvol said:
Streaming didn’t start with the pandemic. Her compensation was tied to box office sales. Her representation should have been competent enough to include specifics in her contract that would affect the box office sales such as required advertising, releasing in the maximum number of theaters, and the amount of time after the movie’s release before it could be released to streaming.

Yea I’ll agree they will include such things in future contracts, but corporate lawyers are hired to anticipate problems and protect your interests. These guys/gals failed Johansson and should be held accountable for their poor performance.
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butchna said:
Almost instant streaming availability wasn’t an option for big budget movies until the pandemic virtually decked theaters. It’s still their preferred route but even they may have been surprised how much more money is available when traditional runs are petering out after opening weekends. The point is that when Johannsen signed up to do this movie, this was a non-issue.
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Pretty much what butchna said. Day of release streaming wasn’t even considered when this movie was in production. I’m sure there are residuals from streaming included but not to the detriment of the box office. No agent could have predicted a global pandemic that shut theaters down for over a year. Disney didn’t either and this wasn’t some insidious plot to screw over Johansson. They just couldn’t postpone it any longer. This will be settled and the actresses will get paid.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Pretty much what butchna said. Day of release streaming wasn’t even considered when this movie was in production. I’m sure there are residuals from streaming included but not to the detriment of the box office. No agent could have predicted a global pandemic that shut theaters down for over a year. Disney didn’t either and this wasn’t some insidious plot to screw over Johansson. They just couldn’t postpone it any longer. This will be settled and the actresses will get paid.
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Streaming has been available long before this movie was made. Obviously it became more popular during the pandemic but that’s no excuse in my perspective. These entertainers paid big money to folks to protect their interests and those folks failed Johansson and they should be the ones held accountable. If Disney didn’t violate the contract then any law suit against them should be dismissed as frivolous. Lawyers typically suck and hers appear to be attempting to deflect blame elsewhere for their poor performance
 
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I wasn't aware movies like this were available for streaming at the same time of release in theatres. How long has that been going on?
 
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walkenvol said:
Streaming has been available long before this movie was made. Obviously it became more popular during the pandemic but that’s no excuse in my perspective. These entertainers paid big money to folks to protect their interests and those folks failed Johansson and they should be the ones held accountable. If Disney didn’t violate the contract then any law suit against them should be dismissed as frivolous. Lawyers typically suck and hers appear to be attempting to deflect blame elsewhere for their poor performance
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Yes streaming has been around awhile but not simultaneous with theatrical release. Not for tent pole movies like this. They delayed this movie for over a year for theaters to open back up. Had it not been for the pandemic closing theaters the movie would have had an exclusive theatrical release.

Clearly none of us have seen to details of the original contract. If they promised her an exclusive theatrical release and didn’t follow through then she deserves to be paid.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Yes streaming has been around awhile but not simultaneous with theatrical release. Not for tent pole movies like this. They delayed this movie for over a year for theaters to open back up. Had it not been for the pandemic closing theaters the movie would have had an exclusive theatrical release.

Clearly none of us have seen to details of the original contract. If they promised her an exclusive theatrical release and didn’t follow through then she deserves to be paid.
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I agree that if her contract has been violated then she should be compensated. I also agree that top talent movies weren’t typically available for streaming until they had made their runs through the theaters. But, this doesn’t excuse her representation from specifically spelling out in the contract anything that could potentially impact tickets sold. I’m shocked that some of you appear so quick to absolve the lawyers and blame Disney. Why waste money on the lawyers if they don’t cover every angle that could negatively affect your interests?
 
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This has feet. Cruella used to be available to watch on Disney+ now if you go to it in the menu it says not available until August 27 or something like that. Clearly the actors have an argument or Disney wouldn't have made that change.
 
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Behr said:
I wasn't aware movies like this were available for streaming at the same time of release in theatres. How long has that been going on?
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With Disney+ you have to pay $29.99 for premiere access to a film that is currently in the theaters.
 
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Coug said:
This has feet. Cruella used to be available to watch on Disney+ now if you go to it in the menu it says not available until August 27 or something like that. Clearly the actors have an argument or Disney wouldn't have made that change.
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Not necessarily. I believe on the other films they released that way, there has been a dead period between the “premiere/theatre release” and the “video release.” I assume the Aug 27th is the release to standard Disney+ subscribers without the premium fee.
 
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walkenvol said:
I agree that if her contract has been violated then she should be compensated. I also agree that top talent movies weren’t typically available for streaming until they had made their runs through the theaters. But, this doesn’t excuse her representation from specifically spelling out in the contract anything that could potentially impact tickets sold. I’m shocked that some of you appear so quick to absolve the lawyers and blame Disney. Why waste money on the lawyers if they don’t cover every angle that could negatively affect your interests?
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You shouldn't be because it's been laid out pretty clearly why; what I'm shocked at is you're using a crapton of 20/20 hindsight to absolve Disney. There was absolutely no reason to even remotely think same day release to streaming was a possibility when this contract was made because there was no way in hell pre-pandemic it was a possibility. Saying they needed spell out "anything that could potentially impact tickets sold" is not even remotely reasonable.

You seem to be digging in instead of using some common sense here and there's a reason you're on an island.
 
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