Say We Win???

#4
#4
We got some spoiled fans,... but they are paying Phil pretty good and we have some great facilities and had some #1 recruiting classes in the past 4 years so the fans are getting impatient & want a new revamped staff.

If we could bring in a proven winner that could get the same recruits and make a smooth transition....(a smooth transition for me would be at least 8 or 9 wins in the first season) then I would be all for it.

But I would much rather have Phil winning 8 or 9 games than go through what Nebraska did when they first got rid of Osborne...
 
#5
#5
true very true!!!....I guess i'm just soft hearted....I became a vol fan during the Johnny Majors era and I think Fulmer is so much better. I do understand there has been some questionable things happen with fulmer, but I'm really on the fence with the whole thing????
 
#6
#6
I think it will quiet down some but you have to keep in mind that for many people it took years to come to the conclusion that Phil needs to be replaced. Up to 1998, it was obvious that the team was improving. It was like watching the building of a pyramid and Phil was our master architect. Each season a new level was added and it made that BCS c-ship seem inevitable. The talent was there for a repeat in 1999 but I think most everyone was hungover from the euphoria of '98 so Phil got a collective pass from the fans. 2000 was presumed to be a rebuilding year, another pass. In 2001, the Vols were primed but whatever happened in that 2nd half of the SECCG against LSU seems to have signaled then end of the building phase and the beginning of the demolition phase. Basically, I just don't see sustained year-to-year improvement anymore and I have come to see Fulmer as more of a custodian/caretaker than an architect.

Whatever you think of Johnny Majors, he was a program builder. Sometimes it was one step forward, two steps back with CJM but if you go and look at what UTK had when he arrived and then look at the steady improvement over the course of his tenure I think you will have more of an appreciation for Johnny.
 
#8
#8
RockEmSockEm said:
We got some spoiled fans,... but they are paying Phil pretty good and we have some great facilities and had some #1 recruiting classes in the past 4 years so the fans are getting impatient & want a new revamped staff.

If we could bring in a proven winner that could get the same recruits and make a smooth transition....(a smooth transition for me would be at least 8 or 9 wins in the first season) then I would be all for it.

But I would much rather have Phil winning 8 or 9 games than go through what Nebraska did when they first got rid of Osborne...
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We had spoiled fans from about 95-99.After that i can't see any logic to this statement.Explain to me why going 15-11 in the last three years is spoiled.:dunno:
 
#13
#13
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think it will quiet down some but you have to keep in mind that for many people it took years to come to the conclusion that Phil needs to be replaced. Up to 1998, it was obvious that the team was improving. It was like watching the building of a pyramid and Phil was our master architect. Each season a new level was added and it made that BCS c-ship seem inevitable. The talent was there for a repeat in 1999 but I think most everyone was hungover from the euphoria of '98 so Phil got a collective pass from the fans. 2000 was presumed to be a rebuilding year, another pass. In 2001, the Vols were primed but whatever happened in that 2nd half of the SECCG against LSU seems to have signaled then end of the building phase and the beginning of the demolition phase. Basically, I just don't see sustained year-to-year improvement anymore and I have come to see Fulmer as more of a custodian/caretaker than an architect.

Whatever you think of Johnny Majors, he was a program builder. Sometimes it was one step forward, two steps back with CJM but if you go and look at what UTK had when he arrived and then look at the steady improvement over the course of his tenure I think you will have more of an appreciation for Johnny.
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We could take large steps in the year over year improvement process you speak of Saturday afternoon. for all the moaning about last year's mediocre finish, which i agree with 100%, it does stand to reason that should TN win Saturday, and go on to a double digit win total this year, it would be called improvement. and given, really even since 04, the struggles of late, those building blocks you speak of are back in place? cause the reality as i see it, is that the next two years, we actually should be pretty good.
 
#14
#14
of course, if we lose, the same questions stick around and each and every SEC games takes on even more importance if you are going to reach 10 wins THIS year, which will not be likely.
 
#16
#16
well why break tradition? look, everyone knows I'm on the dump phil bandwagon and have been for quite some time. But if he can beat florida saturday, heck I'll even let him throw in a loss somewhere down the line as long as he gets us to a meaningful bowl and we put up a good showing in it, I'll be game to say "that's improvement, let's see where he takes us next year". unfortunately I haven't seen that. A lot of people argue over the improvement last year from the 2005 train wreck. Well he essentially got us back to where he had us from 2002 on. It's time to once again take that leap and be a legit contender in the BCS mix. All this crap that we talk about every day all winds together. Tennessee is slowly falling off the national radar, therefore we don't receive as much, if any recognition from the national media, and deservedly so given our record the past 3 years. IMHO, that record is because of Phil Fulmer. Tennessee does have a tradition of winning and we need to keep that. What good does it do if Fulmer leads us down the path that Nebraska went after Tom left or a coach that will rebuild us?
 
#17
#17
jakez4ut said:
We could take large steps in the year over year improvement process you speak of Saturday afternoon. for all the moaning about last year's mediocre finish, which i agree with 100%, it does stand to reason that should TN win Saturday, and go on to a double digit win total this year, it would be called improvement. and given, really even since 04, the struggles of late, those building blocks you speak of are back in place? cause the reality as i see it, is that the next two years, we actually should be pretty good.
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It is hard to imagine double digit wins this year. I agree that speed has been added, but I also remember thinking in 2004 that we should be world breakers by 2006. This "another two years" talk has been wearing me out since 2004.
 
#18
#18
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think it will quiet down some but you have to keep in mind that for many people it took years to come to the conclusion that Phil needs to be replaced. Up to 1998, it was obvious that the team was improving. It was like watching the building of a pyramid and Phil was our master architect. Each season a new level was added and it made that BCS c-ship seem inevitable. The talent was there for a repeat in 1999 but I think most everyone was hungover from the euphoria of '98 so Phil got a collective pass from the fans. 2000 was presumed to be a rebuilding year, another pass. In 2001, the Vols were primed but whatever happened in that 2nd half of the SECCG against LSU seems to have signaled then end of the building phase and the beginning of the demolition phase. Basically, I just don't see sustained year-to-year improvement anymore and I have come to see Fulmer as more of a custodian/caretaker than an architect.

Whatever you think of Johnny Majors, he was a program builder. Sometimes it was one step forward, two steps back with CJM but if you go and look at what UTK had when he arrived and then look at the steady improvement over the course of his tenure I think you will have more of an appreciation for Johnny.
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Very good post Billy.
 
#20
#20
Say we win?? Again I ask, why must we deal with this the day before the UF game?
 
#21
#21
Lexvol said:
It is hard to imagine double digit wins this year. I agree that speed has been added, but I also remember thinking in 2004 that we should be world breakers by 2006. This "another two years" talk has been wearing me out since 2004.
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that's fair, just trying to get all the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" stuff about the potential of this early season out of the way before Saturday :p, when we in all likliehood come back down to earth and realize we have a pretty average football team at the end of the day.

i want to be wrong. i really do.:banghead2:
 
#22
#22
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think it will quiet down some but you have to keep in mind that for many people it took years to come to the conclusion that Phil needs to be replaced. Up to 1998, it was obvious that the team was improving. It was like watching the building of a pyramid and Phil was our master architect. Each season a new level was added and it made that BCS c-ship seem inevitable. The talent was there for a repeat in 1999 but I think most everyone was hungover from the euphoria of '98 so Phil got a collective pass from the fans. 2000 was presumed to be a rebuilding year, another pass. In 2001, the Vols were primed but whatever happened in that 2nd half of the SECCG against LSU seems to have signaled then end of the building phase and the beginning of the demolition phase. Basically, I just don't see sustained year-to-year improvement anymore and I have come to see Fulmer as more of a custodian/caretaker than an architect.

Whatever you think of Johnny Majors, he was a program builder. Sometimes it was one step forward, two steps back with CJM but if you go and look at what UTK had when he arrived and then look at the steady improvement over the course of his tenure I think you will have more of an appreciation for Johnny.
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Very well said.
 
#23
#23
jakez4ut said:
that's fair, just trying to get all the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" stuff about the potential of this early season out of the way before Saturday :p, when we in all likliehood come back down to earth and realize we have a pretty average football team at the end of the day.

i want to be wrong. i really do.:banghead2:
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Me too. The reality of it all for me is that it is going to take a BCS bowl appearance to make me forget about 05. It wasn't just the losing record. It was the fact that we seemed loaded with potential in 2004.
 
#24
#24
Eight years ago it would have been hard to imagine where we are now. Especially if we knew Spurrier was leaving and we would continue to recruit well. Its been a real letdown... a slow and painful decent from the national elite.

The 90s did spoil us a bit, but Tennessee is historically a top 10 program. Given that, I don't think that expecting 10 wins, BCS appearances, and SEC championships every several years is unreasonable.
 
#25
#25
Lexvol said:
Me too. The reality of it all for me is that it is going to take a BCS bowl appearance to make me forget about 05. It wasn't just the losing record. It was the fact that we seemed loaded with potential in 2004.
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Agreed. '05 will never go away, but a championship or BCS sure would remedy the lingering pain - and signify we are moving back up the ladder again.
 
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