Roll the dice with staff changes?

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UT has changed its coordinators and position coaches repeatedly over the past 6-7 years...and here we are.

The question is whether we can surgically remove the bad parts of our offense with a coaching UPGRADE. Oline? coordinator? Both?

2 of our last 3 offensive coordinators hired haven't worked out. And florida has apparently hired 4 bad ones in a row. They are suffering as a result.

I don't want to change just to feed raw meat to the Vol Nation. But isnt the purpose of coaching to figure out what the team can execute. The whole "this is our offense" mentality isn't what Alabama, Texas, or Oklahoma believed before they switched to the wishbone. You shouldn't be married to any system when the SEC has defensive talent seen nowhere else in America.
 
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Your reasoning is WAY off base.Tonight's loss was 1000 percent on OUR lack of ability on the OL. We played four different guys at RT... The world's best pitching coach won't help ME win the World Series any more than you.
 
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These guys have been playing the position for several years. A good coach should know their faults and adjust accordingly. This is not happening.
 
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Lack of strength I feel is the problem. Hopefully the off season helps. Also lack of SEC caliber QB doesnt help.
 
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I'm going to say this and only this. I have doubts about this offense and about our rigidity with personnel and matching said personnel with scheme. You can LSU this deal and get so many great players it covers up the bad but you still run a big risk of clemsoning the situation up. I do not see us wining any championships with Bajakian unless Thig recruits him Cam Newton, Hershel Walker, and Megatron all at the same time.
 
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I want to see some serious adjustments...simply staying the course against quality opponents with this pathetic offensive system is marching us into a meat grinder in the 4th quarter of these games!
 
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qwerty said:
It's on the line dude...we have to get the jimmys and joes first.
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After two full classes, and not a single one of them working out...who is going to get us those Jimmies and Joes?

I'm worried about Mahoney's ability to evaluate, recruit and develop. He's a bust himself, thus far.
 
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CountVolcula said:
That isn't happening

You might see some of the ones that aren't closely tied to Jones jump ship if its not looking promising
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If I were Jancek I'd start looking around, like Wilcox did when it was obvious the Dooley ship was going to sink.
 
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I hope CBJ does part with Mahoney and Bajakian and throw the kitchen sink at TCU or Baylor's OC + OL coach. I don't like constant change, but when what you are doing isn't working at all after 2yrs...time to make a few changes on the staff
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
UT has changed its coordinators and position coaches repeatedly over the past 6-7 years...and here we are.

The question is whether we can surgically remove the bad parts of our offense with a coaching UPGRADE. Oline? coordinator? Both?

2 of our last 3 offensive coordinators hired haven't worked out. And florida has apparently hired 4 bad ones in a row. They are suffering as a result.

I don't want to change just to feed raw meat to the Vol Nation. But isnt the purpose of coaching to figure out what the team can execute. The whole "this is our offense" mentality isn't what Alabama, Texas, or Oklahoma believed before they switched to the wishbone. You shouldn't be married to any system when the SEC has defensive talent seen nowhere else in America.
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No... just .....no
 
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TNVOLFN said:
Your reasoning is WAY off base.Tonight's loss was 1000 percent on OUR lack of ability on the OL. We played four different guys at RT... The world's best pitching coach won't help ME win the World Series any more than you.
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Tonight was just as much Worley as it was the Oline..All 3 int's were horrinle throws that shouldn't have been made and he had time on those, he holds the ball way too long as well.
 
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The OP doesnt know what he is talking about. Chaneys offenses were at the top of the SEC in every major category.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
After two full classes, and not a single one of them working out...who is going to get us those Jimmies and Joes?

I'm worried about Mahoney's ability to evaluate, recruit and develop. He's a bust himself, thus far.
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Worried? Hell man I don't agree with most the crap you say but no one with a brain is going to bash you for what you really meant to say, which was, Mahoney can't recruit nor can he coach. It's obvious. I've tried to hold it back, but there's a reason why we sign guys like Hall to play OT for us. No offense to the kid, but he isn't playing ever at a Bama or Texas A&M, but in two years he might start for us at this rate. Mahoney is not doing his d@@@ job. He can't recruit for s@@@, and it's already showing on the field. We are recruiting lights out every where else except the o-line. People think this is bad now, lol, wait until we have a legit top 5 defense in the country, and it's coming as long as this defensive staff goes no where. We will lose games 3-6 and 3-9.
 
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TNVOLFN said:
Your reasoning is WAY off base.Tonight's loss was 1000 percent on OUR lack of ability on the OL. We played four different guys at RT... The world's best pitching coach won't help ME win the World Series any more than you.
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What evidence do you actually have that it is the talent and not the coaching? We've yet to see either succeed at this level.

And if the issue is purely talent, then do the coaches not ultimately shoulder the blame for not bringing in better talent? If the issue is solely talent and we're getting "out-talented" by the likes of UTC, then that is certainly something that should have been addressed via recruiting in the past two classes. Why were more JUCO linemen not recruited, for instance, since they knew they would need people who could start immediately this year?

And, even if the issue is purely talent, then why are they only getting worse? To use your analogy, the world's best pitching coach couldn't coach you to win the world series, but he would certainly be able to show some effect. You shouldn't actually get worse every additional week that he coaches you.
 
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oregonvol said:
What evidence do you actually have that it is the talent and not the coaching? We've yet to see either succeed at this level.

And if the issue is purely talent, then do the coaches not ultimately shoulder the blame for not bringing in better talent? If the issue is solely talent and we're getting "out-talented" by the likes of UTC, then that is certainly something that should have been addressed via recruiting in the past two classes. Why were more JUCO linemen not recruited, for instance, since they knew they would need people who could start immediately this year?

And, even if the issue is purely talent, then why are they only getting worse? To use your analogy, the world's best pitching coach couldn't coach you to win the world series, but he would certainly be able to show some effect. You shouldn't actually get worse every additional week that he coaches you.
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Four issues going on here at the same time.

1. Our talent sucks
2. Our OL coach sucks
3. Our play calling sucks because our o-line sucks and it limits what we can do. CBJ and Bajakian's offense is built off big plays through play action. Hard to run play action plays when you rush for negative yards in an entire game.
4.Worley in terms of being a cerebral player sucks. People called for Bajakian to roll Worley out more, and people with a brain stated it wouldn't work. Now, people see why we said this. He's hot garbage out of the pocket. He's a turnover waiting to happen when he rolls out. Also, how many games in a row is he going to get blind sided from the right side and fumble the ball? I'd say we should leave an H-back on the right side ever play, but besides Wolf, they suck at blocking too. Hurd and Wolf are the only two guys that can block, and when you leave those two guys in the back field to block every passing down then teams are going to catch on and sit 8 guys back in a zone. Good luck passing then. Thats what FL did to us all game, except they manned up on the outside.
 
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keckjm said:
Four issues going on here at the same time.

1. Our talent sucks
2. Our OL coach sucks
3. Our play calling sucks because our o-line sucks and it limits what we can do. CBJ and Bajakian's offense is built off big plays through play action. Hard to run play action plays when you rush for negative yards in an entire game.
4.Worley in terms of being a cerebral player sucks. People called for Bajakian to roll Worley out more, and people with a brain stated it wouldn't work. Now, people see why we said this. He's hot garbage out of the pocket. He's a turnover waiting to happen when he rolls out. Also, how many games in a row is he going to get blind sided from the right side and fumble the ball? I'd say we should leave an H-back on the right side ever play, but besides Wolf, they suck at blocking too. Hurd and Wolf are the only two guys that can block, and when you leave those two guys in the back field to block every passing down then teams are going to catch on and sit 8 guys back in a zone. Good luck passing then. Thats what FL did to us all game, except they manned up on the outside.
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Agree with everything said in this post... welldone! :hi:
 
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