Roe vs Wade Overturned

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I've never said that it is not up to them. I will say that a rape victim will normally receive a pelvic exam (so it's already invasive) along with antibiotics (in case of possible STD transmission) which can further limit the efficacy of emergency contraceptive pills. If they prefer to just take a pill sure, as long as their provider properly educates them on the higher efficacy of an IUD.

When have I been unwilling to take that into consideration? I've stated the patient can't use the pill if they prefer. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact that pregnant women have far better options than abortion and that abortion doesn't really have a place in the conversation.
A large percentage of rapes go unreported or are reported late.
 

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It’s also morally wrong to condemn an unwanted child to a life of abuse and misery. It doesn’t matter if it’s with biological parents/relatives or as an adoptee or foster child. The religious right attempts to occupy a moral high ground here but it can’t. “All life is precious” as long as your tax dollars aren’t being used to help provide a better life.
None of that argument makes any sense. Do you believe women who seek abortions are terrible people who will beat their children?

What do taxes have to do with this?
 

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I am indifferent to it. Sometimes, I find it unfortunate that she was not in position to have a baby. Sometimes, I am thankful she was spared the pain of carrying a nonviable or severely handicapped child into the world. Sometimes, I am happy she was able to abort the product of rape.

You guys so want this to be a black and white issue. I see it lots of shades of gray.
Understood. I was trying to see if you were one of these "I detest abortion, but support a women's right to choose" types. It sounds like you are not.

I've never understood that position in particular, because if you don't believe abortion to be the termination of an entity that has rights, then I don't see what there is to detest about it. At that point it is just a medical procedure, no different from having your gall bladder removed or knee replaced, and nobody would say "I detest knee replacements, think they are morally wrong, but if somebody wants or needs one they should be able to get one."
 

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I understand, but rape is understandably a traumatic event and not all folks are thinking logically following one.
Sure. That doesn’t mean we get to excuse all actions forever from a rape victim which seems to be the goal. At some point this is wrong. We have a way of preventing it that’s easy. We can’t excuse bad behavior eternally due to emotional trauma. If you throw your rape baby in the dumpster you should obviously be charged.
 

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Sure. That doesn’t mean we get to excuse all actions forever from a rape victim which seems to be the goal. At some point this is wrong. We have a way of preventing it that’s easy. We can’t excuse bad behavior eternally due to emotional trauma. If you throw your rape baby in the dumpster you should obviously be charged.
Same rules. up until viability \
 

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I am shocked the left has reverted back to using the term “woman”. I didn’t think they were able to define what a woman is.
The term has become a tool for democrats to use when it’s time to advance a political agenda. You know, kinda like how every 4 years they suddenly care about black people.

“Pregnant person” will be back soon enough.
 
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lol I notice you’re intentionally using the legal term. Good job there.

But we do agree it’s a living human that you’re wanting to abort?
I can agree with scientific definitions, but there has to be a hierarchy of rights. Giving the fetus rights superior to an already born and living person doesn't sit well with me. Lots and lots of fetuses are miscarried and to provide superior rights to that which is only potential at the expense of the woman's autonomy seems wrong.
 
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I can agree with scientific definitions, but there has to be a hierarchy of rights. Giving the fetus rights superior to an already born and living person doesn't sit well with me. Lots and lots of fetuses are miscarried and to provide superior rights to that which is only potential at the expense of the woman's autonomy seems wrong.
What makes the right “superior”? You can’t kill me. Does that mean I have superior rights?

And not it’s not “potential”. It’s real. It’s alive. It’s human.
 

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What makes the right “superior”? You can’t kill me. Does that mean I have superior rights?

And not it’s not “potential”. It’s real. It’s alive. It’s human.
Incredibly well-said. It isn't about a right being "superior."

The reason I can't walk down the street and (legally) randomly punch a dude in the face is not because his rights are "superior" to mine. That dude, just like me, has rights that I cannot violate and punching him in the face would be a violation of those. I see the same concept extending to abortion.
 

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What makes the right “superior”? You can’t kill me. Does that mean I have superior rights?

And not it’s not “potential”. It’s real. It’s alive. It’s human.


No, until it's actually born it is a potential person.

I cannot kill you, but your existence doesn't endanger mine or force me to take responsibility for your life.
 

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I can agree with scientific definitions, but there has to be a hierarchy of rights. Giving the fetus rights superior to an already born and living person doesn't sit well with me. Lots and lots of fetuses are miscarried and to provide superior rights to that which is only potential at the expense of the woman's autonomy seems wrong.
But we do not have autonomy over our bodies.
 

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