Rivals vs ESPN

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TideWarrior

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I see people asking how they evaluate or which is better. My opinion both have ties to All American Games which make money for them. So here is my analysis. I am also doing one regarding the NFL and all the service. But if nothing else a good conversation piece.

For you recruiting service junkies here is a comparison between Rivals and ESPN and their loyality to their games they sponser in regards to how they rank players.

Rivals sponsors the Army All American Game
ESPN sponsors the Under Armor All American Game

Rivals 2012 top 25

65% of their top 25 played in the Army game of those 75% were not in ESPN top 25

35% of their top 25 played in the Under Armor game of those 89% were in ESPN top 25

ESPN 2012 top 25

72% of their top 25 played in the Under Armor game of those 56% were not in the Rivals top 25

28% of their top 25 played in the Arny game of those 57% were ranked in the top 25

There is also a 52% chance if one service ranks you in the top 25 the other will not.

These rankings were final rankings prior to the Jan games. Alot of these players moved up in the ranking after they accepted their invite to a game.

So my point is that both of these services seem to rank players based on them accepting invites to play in their sponsored games. ESPN seems to be a little more biased than Rivals but both can not be that far apart of their rankings, unless the ranking is not based on evaluations but inflating their rankings to make their All American game seem to have the better talent. Watch for Scout to do the same now that they are linked to the Semper Fi game. Maybe 247 will be the only one without a bias since they have no tie to ALL American games yet.
 
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Great post.

I like 247 the best. I don't pay attention to ESPN or Scout.
 
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There's always going to be a bias. People are always biased whether they admit it or not
 
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Great post OP........too bad I'll print it off to use as toilet paper since it came from a Bama fan.
 
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It's a business and businesses need money. It's been completely bias since the under armour game came along. Hopefully 247 can become better with age and give an accurate picture among the elite guys to see the common ground
 
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fade route said:
Great post OP........too bad I'll print it off to use as toilet paper since it came from a Bama fan.
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If it were up for a vote, you vs. the op, one of you had to leave VN...he would get 99% of the vote and you would be gone. He's well liked around here because he brings very good information and isn't a prick, like you.
 
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For those that don't know TW is a straight shooter and respected poster in the recruiting forum. He can take a shot and give one back without becoming a troll.

This confirms what I have thought and said for years on here and other sites. Thanks for the info TW. It just teaches you to trust successful coaches that evaluate and recruit using their own methods.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
If it were up for a vote, you vs. the op, one of you had to leave VN...he would get 99% of the vote and you would be gone. He's well liked around here because he brings very good information and isn't a prick, like you.
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So which rivals boards do you visit to be a good ambassador for UT and bring good information to their fanbase since it's such a noble cause.
 
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fade route said:
So which rivals boards do you visit to be a good ambassador for UT and bring good information to their fanbase since it's such a noble cause.
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While I despise Alabama, I welcome any rival poster like TideWarrior on our board. He brings excellent information that not all of us Vol fans are privy to. And his postings are usually conducted in a manner that avoids trolling, although he can get a little arrogant at times. However, that is all in good fun, and we all know it. Plus, what fan wouldn't be a little arrogant right now after witnessing their team put out a product like Bama has in the last few years? I look forward to practicing my own arrogance soon I hope.
 
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volprof said:
While I despise Alabama, I welcome any rival poster like TideWarrior on our board. He brings excellent information that not all of us Vol fans are privy to. And his postings are usually conducted in a manner that avoids trolling, although he can get a little arrogant at times. However, that is all in good fun, and we all know it. Plus, what fan wouldn't be a little arrogant right now after witnessing their team put out a product like Bama has in the last few years? I look forward to practicing my own arrogance soon I hope.
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Maybe that's a fair point. However, as a Vol fan, the thought of visiting a Bama site just doesn't appeal to me at all. I mean, why?
 
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That's great insight. I haven't considered that yet, but it kind of shows that the top 25 is really close in talent (I.e. #1 isn't really too much better than #25). I actually believe this applies to the top 50 too.

I believe I speak for most when I say that vol fans woul favor 247 much more I that arrogant, vol-hating, no- talent a$$ clown Rucker didn't work as the Vol rep
 
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you said:
That's great insight. I haven't considered that yet, but it kind of shows that the top 25 is really close in talent (I.e. #1 isn't really too much better than #25). I actually believe this applies to the top 50 too.

I believe I speak for most when I say that vol fans woul favor 247 much more I that arrogant, vol-hating, no- talent a$$ clown Rucker didn't work as the Vol rep
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Someone's a little bitter.

And no, I don't think you speak for most. Rucker really isn't that bad at all.
 
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I like Rucker. In fact, I'm a big fan of 1180. Don't listen to much of the Sports Animal with the exception of a few flips to the Sentinel and Josh and Will every now and then.
 
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Fair enough, I stand corrected. There are a few Rucker fans out there.....

Of course, there's enough that allows him to keep his job. I see way more disdain for him here on VN than I do support.....

P.S. - he was tolerable when he worked for the Times Free Press.
 
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Ratings by the recruiting services are all profit driven. Not a bad thing at all, but readers must be aware of what they are. They want to make money for their all star games, subscriptions and ads. The rankings and star ratings are just a simple way for us amateurs to understand and buy their products. Everything else being equal, I would like to have all 5 stars, but everything else is not equal. The bottom line is wins in the fall and not necessarily high rankings in February.
 
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