Restoring Tennessee Article

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I thought it was a good article. The three reasons why we've fallen on hard times was spot on in my estimation.

I guess that while I can see his point that maybe things aren't as bad as they appear, there's nothing wrong with wanting things to get better. I certainly agree with him that Tennessee should be viewed as a plum job for quality coach. I hope when the time comes we get the right guy.
 
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I thought he made some good points in the article. There are a ton of things that can cause a program to tread water or slide back. Perhaps the one thing that he did leave out is getting stale or complacent. It can happen in all businesses to just about anyone. Sometimes you have to have a bad year to wake up and sometimes you lose the fire. This season will go a long way in showing me which is the case. I "think" CPF has not lost his fire and only got complacent. I've had very good staff members do the exact same thing. One of two things happens. Either they shake it off or they start receiving salary from someone other than me. As this season plays out we shall see. But there was a grin on his face that looked as if he is really enjoying himself and that is important. Some thought he looked beaten during and after the UF game. To me he had a look of disgust on his face. But like I have stated before, his fate is exactly where it belongs and where he wants it. In his own hands.
 
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good point, I was hoping that 05 would be some shock treatment to get back in gear, and he has, but it's just been spotty
 
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RockyTopEmpire said:
good point, I was hoping that 05 would be some shock treatment to get back in gear, and he has, but it's just been spotty
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Well one thing we all need to keep in mind is that it was not going to turn around overnight. It didn't slide overnight and it won't change back overnight. It will take a total commitment like they once had. I think they have it in them and as long as we see improvement I can accept giving more time.
 
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I read the article and here are my thoughts as to the bullet point solutions:

1. Winning 8.75 games per year is not acceptable with a 12-game schedule, the occassional SECCG appearance and a bowl game. Being content with close losses to UF and LSU is not UTK football, that's Vandy mentality. There are no moral victories in a game with a clear winner and a clear loser.

2. It was supposed to be the Vols turn in 2005 and look what happened. Frankly, it should be the Vols turn this year given the youth of the teams at UF and UGA and no Aubie or LSU on the schedule. I guess we will see what happens.

3. Why wait?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Well one thing we all need to keep in mind is that it was not going to turn around overnight. It didn't slide overnight and it won't change back overnight. It will take a total commitment like they once had. I think they have it in them and as long as we see improvement I can accept giving more time.
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I don't care who the coach is, just win baby. One or two SEC Championships every 5 or 6 years isn't too much to ask
 
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justingroves said:
I don't care who the coach is, just win baby. One or two SEC Championships every 5 or 6 years isn't too much to ask
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No it's not. But I think that CPF has earned the right to fix things. If he does not show improvement then I am for change. Until then I think as stated his fate is in his hands.
 
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beef, the rub seems to be the amount of time that people think Phil should have to fix things. obviously, I think he's had more than enough time (8 years with 2001 being the only remotely bright spot). I know there are people out there who would say he should get as much time as he wants. I'm guessing that the real answer is somewhere in the middle but the only guidance for knowing the answer is Hamilton's statement about 2 SEC c-ships every 10 years. It would be helpful if Hamilton would take a page from Stienbrenner and just lay out an ultimatum.
 
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CFN's latest team rankings has Michigan ahead of Tennessee.

I don't care to read any "article" from the same site.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
beef, the rub seems to be the amount of time that people think Phil should have to fix things. obviously, I think he's had more than enough time (8 years with 2001 being the only remotely bright spot). I know there are people out there who would say he should get as much time as he wants. I'm guessing that the real answer is somewhere in the middle but the only guidance for knowing the answer is Hamilton's statement about 2 SEC c-ships every 10 years. It would be helpful if Hamilton would take a page from Stienbrenner and just lay out an ultimatum.
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That would be one of the most disruptful things MH could do and I would lose all respect for him. If he wanted to let CPF know that I'd be fine with that. But if he did that the media would go nuts.

As far as how much time goes. I think after the 05 season things were clear. CPF told us some things and so far they are holding up. As long as we continue to see improvement I think it would be wrong to terminate.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
That would be one of the most disruptful things MH could do and I would lose all respect for him. If he wanted to let CPF know that I'd be fine with that. But if he did that the media would go nuts.

As far as how much time goes. I think after the 05 season things were clear. CPF told us some things and so far they are holding up. As long as we continue to see improvement I think it would be wrong to terminate.
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Maybe he should use the Buzz approach.
 
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"Even the disastrous 2005 season wasn't as bad as it appeared...."

Goodbye. I've got other things to read.
 
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RockyTopEmpire said:
Scout.com: Can Tennessee Be A Superpower Again?

posted on CFN, makes some good points, what do yall think?
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I think the article was pretty much right on the money. Some assessments out of the reach of Orange Colored glasses can be more move objective. I do believe that no matter what the outcome of the rest of the season, a total change of saff is needed. I don't want to become Penn St South.
 
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for the most part this article was spot on, what I had trouble with was the tone that we shouldnt expect more than we're currently getting.
 
#17
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I'd say that article is pretty spot on. It isn't as bad as it appears considering the hard times some top programs have been under.

You're right, there is nothing wrong with wanting things to get better and back to where they were......until people start wanting the team to lose, pretending that the head coach is your average run of the mill bum who doesn't deserve any respect, and talking about how bad things have been for a few years as a reason why we might lose next week, then argue that the National Championship doesn't count.

History is history and the past is the past. That makes 2005 about as pointless as 1998. If people can make an argument for one, they should be allowed to do for the other.

How many teams have won National Championships since 1998? How many teams have won SEC Championships since 1998?


Great article.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It would be helpful if Hamilton would take a page from Stienbrenner and just lay out an ultimatum.
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I've heard from a couple of sources I trust, including one on here that has given nothing but solid information, that Hamilton has issued an ultimatum, beating UGA was the first part in saving himself.
 
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NationofVols said:
Great article.
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"Tennessee has never been that good to begin with, so having a losing season really isn't as bad as it looks. That's what you have to expect when everybody else in the conference has been getting better around you. Tennessee is just going to have to wait its turn, and sooner or later things will fall in their direction."

Yeah. What a great article.
 
#20
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Hamilton will not lay a ultimatum at phil's feet. At least not until the year is over. Hammy's not doing anything until this year plays out. We might as well set back and wait and see.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
beef, the rub seems to be the amount of time that people think Phil should have to fix things. obviously, I think he's had more than enough time (8 years with 2001 being the only remotely bright spot). I know there are people out there who would say he should get as much time as he wants. I'm guessing that the real answer is somewhere in the middle but the only guidance for knowing the answer is Hamilton's statement about 2 SEC c-ships every 10 years. It would be helpful if Hamilton would take a page from Stienbrenner and just lay out an ultimatum.
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you don't see 2004 as a good year for the VOLS?
 
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volfanbill said:
I've heard from a couple of sources I trust, including one on here that has given nothing but solid information, that Hamilton has issued an ultimatum, beating UGA was the first part in saving himself.
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and what is behind door #2?
 
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WillisWG said:
you don't see 2004 as a good year for the VOLS?
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We beat exactly one good team in 2004 (Georgia). We got blown out twice by Auburn and lost to a craptastic 6-6 Notre Dame team.

The records of every team other than Georgia whom we beat in 2004: 2-9, 7-5, 6-6, 4-7, 6-6, 6-5, 2-9, 2-9, and 7-5. You'd be hard-pressed to find a recent major-conference team with an emptier 10-win season than that.
 
#24
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more "you dont know how lucky you were" , "things weren't as good as they seemed" , "expectations are too high"........ you could say the same thing about most every program getting ready to find a new coach.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We beat exactly one good team in 2004 (Georgia). We got blown out twice by Auburn and lost to a craptastic 6-6 Notre Dame team.

The records of every team other than Georgia whom we beat in 2004: 2-9, 7-5, 6-6, 4-7, 6-6, 6-5, 2-9, 2-9, and 7-5. You'd be hard-pressed to find a recent major-conference team with an emptier 10-win season than that.
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interesting take on a 10-3 season
 
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