The parable of the workmen , some who agreed to work all day , and those who only worked the last hour got the same pay. The thief on the cross. It is about faith.
Have you posted recently in the newest pub religion forum? If so, did not realize anyone had been banned. It is mostly from a Christian perspective, but would really be interested in the expectations of what the Messiah was to accomplish. I had heard and read that the Messiah was both a suffering , acquainted with grief, as well as a conquering Messiah, to fullfill Gods ultimate plans.
I can be prickly. We had a church of Christ guy who I felt was being disrespectful and dishonest so I rode him pretty hard. The Baptist preacher was just different. He had the “you can be wrong if you want so you’re going to hell” I do not believe scripture teaches eternal suffering for mortals. If you are not righteous you receive the death penalty for a second time.
Isaiah is one of my favorite O.T. books , along with Psalms. The Dead Sea scrolls copy of Isaiah is almost comp!ete and very close to what we read today isn't it?
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Hey, long as your aren't confusing me with that other CoC guy, or the Baptist preacher. lol. What I find ironic, maybe even humorous, is that the ones that argue fervently with you to prove you wrong haven't had enough beneficial debate with you to realize that being Messianic and not what us other folk think is Jewish, you're beliefs in totality are more akin to what a CoC person may beleive with a few exceptions. So much so, that you allowed your kids to attend CoC private schools in Chatt and point blank said you had no issue with what they taught them. Funny how folk can stand on hte same side of hte creek when their not throwing rocks at each other. As we both know from long and tedious conversations, Messianic basically being essentially the same as the new testament early christians where they converted to Pauls message of God, but still held some traditional practices, which you would be descended. Matter of fact, you and I have probably found more common ground in our beliefs than we have debated differences. But, I do try to base my CoC upbringing not along accepted party lines, but as much on what is actually said as I can intepret and understand. Which is a break away for most, regardless of where you attend. If I say I (we) follow the scripture only, but I fall in line with historical practice/belief without my own study with God, do I not then render myself denominational by defualt. Thought you'd enjoy a little diatribe since you're not in exile in here yet. lol.
Very much like trying to prove a negative is difficult. My position isn’t easy to put in a short answer. My position is there is no scripture support for the concepts of mortals going to hell. First let me break down the why then I’ll let you have your say.
My Referring to that guy as COC was just the denomination he represented. He was clearly not a fair representation of the denomination as a whole.
Slice believes……Obviously I am not Slice, but good post. I learned much about Judaism from him and the existence of messianic which I did not even know existed prior to meeting him here. My kids are both Bible nerds and still take courses (and teach some) on scripture so we have pretty lively discussions because I believe slightly different than either my son or daughter. We put them thru a Christian School my son for 13years and my daughter 11...both finished while doing dual enrollment with Liberty U. We have always attended Baptist churches, but do not claim to be Baptists, or any other denomination. We chose independent Baptist churches that strictly adhere to Scripture, not members of the Southern Baptist organization which forces you to use their Sunday school books and other literature. We have always encouraged both kids to develop their OWN beliefs, which may differ slightly from ours on some details, as long as they know WHY they believe it and can "defend" their stance with scripture. It has made for some heated (but friendly ofc) debates about some things, but it also has kept them constantly seeking His face...wanting to know Him more and His Word verbatim. They both have a far better knowledge of God's word than I do, and are much better people too. Mission accomplished so far.
From my talks with Slice, he seems like a good Christian that chooses to keep the Law of the OT as a sign of obedience to God. I agree with you that his beliefs have way more in common with ours than most others...I think moreso probably than Mormonism and probably Catholicism too. I admire their discipline and dedication to try and keep the Law as best they can. Its impressive as an undertaking IMO. If I remember correctly the only part really where our beliefs differ is I think Slice may reject all the letters from Paul to the various churches? Which we do not, and accept them as part of God's word. I don't want to put words in his mouth though, so I am not 100% sure about that. I am sure he will clarify, or you may already know from your discussions with him which are likely years more recent than mine. Either way, I respect his opinions and him as a person. I have had some lengthy discussions with my kids wherein I discussed things which Slice and I had talked about previously. I find it very interesting, I wasnt raised Christian but came to God in 2003 at 26yo so I have a lot of catching up to do. Great post from you and thanks for your input bud.
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Nm, Into my second Guiness and Chambord (Its like a chocolate raspberry!) here on St. Paddy's Day, so this will have to wait.
(Seriously, it is likely an interesting discussion, and neither of us would get banned for discussing it, but ultimately, I am more like an "RC Sproul on seeing Billy Graham in heaven" kinda guy - all that matters is what matters, the rest is just people being people.)
