Regarding Clawson

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DaytonLawVol

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Does anyone else think that Clawson essentially committed career suicide by coming to Tennessee?
 
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Clawson deserves everything he is getting. Our offense shows no discipline, no fire, no will to beat down their opponent. I know most of you are shifting that blame to Fulmer, but his poor coaching doesn't seem to be affecting our defensive effort.

Yeah, Clawson's offense looks just like Fulmer's. Of course it does. He hired a guy that shared his philosophies. That is the entire problem IMO.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Clawson deserves everything he is getting. Our offense shows no discipline, no fire, no will to beat down their opponent. I know most of you are shifting that blame to Fulmer, but his poor coaching doesn't seem to be affecting our defensive effort.

Yeah, Clawson's offense looks just like Fulmer's. Of course it does. He hired a guy that shared his philosophies. That is the entire problem IMO.
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Clawson said in an interview that Fulmer had given him COMPLETE CONTROL of the offense; HIS "spread offense"... is it just me, or does this offense not look like a re-run of the "Tennessee Way" we've been watching?
 
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R481967 said:
Clawson said in an interview that Fulmer had given him COMPLETE CONTROL of the offense; HIS "spread offense"... is it just me, or does this offense not look like a re-run of the "Tennessee Way" we've been watching?
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did Clawson describe it as the spread or is that your definition?
 
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Yeah, I have never heard any mention that Clawson was going to be bringing a "spread offense". It has always been a West Coast style and we have seen that a lot this year.
 
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I feel bad for Clawson a little. The offense is making similar mistakes as it did in 05 and 02. I think he will rebound somewhere else.
I think Fulmer has to be held accountable somewhat because since 01 (exception - 04)we have lacked an identity. And that identity is running the ball. They have had highly rated TB's come and go and not have much to show for it.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Clawson deserves everything he is getting. Our offense shows no discipline, no fire, no will to beat down their opponent. I know most of you are shifting that blame to Fulmer, but his poor coaching doesn't seem to be affecting our defensive effort.

Yeah, Clawson's offense looks just like Fulmer's. Of course it does. He hired a guy that shared his philosophies. That is the entire problem IMO.
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Yeah...let's blame all of that on the guy who's been here for 9 months instead of the guy who's been in charge here for 17 years...the guy that the players on this team have learned from and followed since they arrived here...that makes plenty of sense...

And as far as defense is concerned....with the exception of Berry and Ayers...where is the fire and discipline you speak of? Off sides penalties, countless pass interference and personal foul penalties, and countless missed tackles are all a sign of having no fire or discipline...

I'm not about to buy into the "throw the assistant under the bus" mentality...we already did that 3 years ago with Sanders and where did that get us...right back where we started after a short hiatus which occured only because of the return of Cutcliffe

The blame for the lack of fire and discipline lies directly with the head coach...it's foolish to even begin to think otherwise
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Yeah, I have never heard any mention that Clawson was going to be bringing a "spread offense". It has always been a West Coast style and we have seen that a lot this year.
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Nah, not mine; just what lots were calling it when he was hired. BTW, is a Power-I a west coast offense?
 
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Clawson isn't great, but I refuse to blame him more than Fulmer since we're seeing problems that have been here LONG before Clawson arrived. There's a common link....
 
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blamie said:
Yeah...let's blame all of that on the guy who's been here for 9 months instead of the guy who's been in charge here for 17 years...the guy that the players on this team have learned from and followed since they arrived here...that makes plenty of sense...

And as far as defense is concerned....with the exception of Berry and Ayers...where is the fire and discipline you speak of? Off sides penalties, countless pass interference and personal foul penalties, and countless missed tackles are all a sign of having no fire or discipline...

I'm not about to buy into the "throw the assistant under the bus" mentality...we already did that 3 years ago with Sanders and where did that get us...right back where we started after a short hiatus which occured only because of the return of Cutcliffe

The blame for the lack of fire and discipline lies directly with the head coach...it's foolish to even begin to think otherwise
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Yep, Clawson could be a scapegoat for Fulmer just like Sanders was. The real problem here is CPF. Some want to say, well our offense was good when Cutcliffe returned. Cut is the only coach in Fulmers career that had complete control of the offense, plus Cut was a good disciplinarian. Fulmer doesn't trust anyone else and he sticks his nose in and messes everything up. Not to mention, Fulmer doesn't know what discipline is. Lucky for him, he uses his OC's as an excuse, and everyone believes him.
 
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'scuse the wrong reply... meant to address UTVOLPJ: still, I don't think Clawson has been allowed to run his offense freely.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Clawson isn't great, but I refuse to blame him more than Fulmer since we're seeing problems that have been here LONG before Clawson arrived. There's a common link....
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That's exactly what I'm saying about the situation...

Obviously, Clawson has not had the effect we had all hoped for when he was hired...but I will not blame him and give Fulmer a pass on this...

I did that in 05' and now this is proof that my eggs where in the wrong basket...

And besides...the problems we are having are not just on the offensive side of the ball...that is the most glaring issue right now...but we've had consistent breakdowns in every facet of the game all year...

When one area is inept...you blame the person in charge of that individual area....but when all areas have failed you have to blame the person who is supposed to be in charge of everything
 
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R481967 said:
Nah, not mine; just what lots were calling it when he was hired. BTW, is a Power-I a west coast offense?
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There are elements of a power I in a WC offense. Just as there are elements of spread/wing T ect. ect. But the power I is more attributed to a pro-style offense. West coast involves a lot of motioning of receivers and H-backs, moving Tight ends into the slot such as you've seen with Brandon Warren, bunching receivers on one side of the ball which we've seen some of.
 
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I never said anything about Fulmer not being to blame. I knew the Clawsonites would come out in droves on this one.

Fulmer is to blame, but if he had made a good OC hire, this season would have gone a lot differently. Everything Clawson has said he was going to bring to this offense has failed miserably.

He said he was going to get his playmakers the ball....fail.

Her was going to switch SS/WS offensive linemen for better matchups...colossal failure.

What has Dave Clawson actually succeeded at since he has been here? One thing? He hasn't motivated his players, he hasn't moved the ball with any efficiency and he hasn't developed any of our quarterbacks. Those jobs fall on him.
 
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Clawson was successful in Richmond; somebody will hire him. He'll have to go back to I-AA, but I don't know that that counts as "career suicide."

Assuming that this plays out like we expect (i.e., a complete housecleaning), prospective employers will probably regard him as just being caught up in the implosion of Fulmer's career. I don't see this sticking him to him forever.
 
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Clawson is suffering because our great recruiter didn't do such a crackerjack job. If anything, maybe he was too confident that he could take the horrible stable of QBs we have and turn them into something.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I never said anything about Fulmer not being to blame. I knew the Clawsonites would come out in droves on this one.

Fulmer is to blame, but if he had made a good OC hire, this season would have gone a lot differently. Everything Clawson has said he was going to bring to this offense has failed miserably.

He said he was going to get his playmakers the ball....fail.

Her was going to switch SS/WS offensive linemen for better matchups...colossal failure.

What has Dave Clawson actually succeeded at since he has been here? One thing? He hasn't motivated his players, he hasn't moved the ball with any efficiency and he hasn't developed any of our quarterbacks. Those jobs fall on him.
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Clawsonites? Are you serious?

I'm not defending him...I am refusing to place the blame anywhere other than where it belongs...

Fulmer has escaped hsi fate by letting blame be placed on others before and although I agree with you that Clawson hasn't lived up to expectations I refuse to let that distract my attention from the real problem with our program
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
There is no doubt in my mind that CPF is involved in the playcalling.
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i actually don't know about the play calling but i know that Clawson wanted to bench Crompton far before he was allowed. He also wanted to alternate starting Hardesty and Foster depending on the matchup. Fulmer did not allow any of this.
 
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i recall Clawson wanting Nick to replace Crompton as early as the 2nd half of UCLA game
 
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I don't know what to believe. I've heard these stories you have but also heard that on more than one occasion Fulmer asked if Clawson wanted to bring a new QB in and he said no. I've heard both sides from equally reputable sources.
 
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