Recruiting Numbers I found a bit curious for your review.

[GUNTERSVOL]

My head now hurts. I had always tried to equate the number of high star guys by state PRIMARILY to a function of numbers, then of course impacted by competitiveness, facilities etc. There is some correlation between the two, but the ratios seem out of whack. These are all the July 21' population numbers for the NEW SEC and I added NC due to it's regional footprint implications.

Mathmatically FL should have 3X the star power of TN not over 9X. Do AL and LA have something in the water?

Population in millions and 4&5 stars combined in Rivals state listings. Use them cause I have easy FREE access, not an endorsement of their accuracy. Is the distribution of real athletic talent really this far askew?

TX 29.5 -- 65
FL 21.8 -- 76
GA 10.8 -- 35
NC 10.6 -- 10
TN 7.0 -- 8
MO 6.2 -- 12
SC 5.2 -- 4
AL 5.0 -- 23
LA 4.6 -- 22
KY 4.5 -- 3
OK 4.0 -- 6
AR 3.0 -- 1
MS 3.0 -- 7

 

[deezvols]

Some states invest in high school football more than others

 

[LadyVolette]

Some states invest in high school football more than others[/QUOTE and have more camps

and have more camps

 

[WBO]

Some states invest in high school football more than others

Some Texas high schools have better stadiums than Vanderbilt. Of course, they have 40 students per classroom, but by god they havre the best artificial turf money can buy.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Meh, stargazing, .

I believe you'll need to break down urban vs rural in order to understand why it appears this way. . . unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

 

[savannahfan]

My head now hurts. I had always tried to equate the number of high star guys by state PRIMARILY to a function of numbers, then of course impacted by competitiveness, facilities etc. There is some correlation between the two, but the ratios seem out of whack. These are all the July 21' population numbers for the NEW SEC and I added NC due to it's regional footprint implications.

Mathmatically FL should have 3X the star power of TN not over 9X. Do AL and LA have something in the water?

Population in millions and 4&5 stars combined in Rivals state listings. Use them cause I have easy FREE access, not an endorsement of their accuracy. Is the distribution of real athletic talent really this far askew?

TX 29.5 -- 65
FL 21.8 -- 76
GA 10.8 -- 35
NC 10.6 -- 10
TN 7.0 -- 8
MO 6.2 -- 12
SC 5.2 -- 4
AL 5.0 -- 23
LA 4.6 -- 22
KY 4.5 -- 3
OK 4.0 -- 6
AR 3.0 -- 1
MS 3.0 -- 7

You must not have every many productive things to deal with to spend time compiling this bunch of ??? numbers!!

 

[DaddyChad]

You can’t use population numbers alone to figure football talent. Some states have always been more serious and more invested in football. The best coaches go where the best money is. Not even talking about programs like IMG being in Florida either.

 

[igotworms]

You can’t use population numbers alone to figure football talent. Some states have always been more serious and more invested in football. The best coaches go where the best money is. Not even talking about programs like IMG being in Florida either.

And tennessee coaches blow

 

[VolBricks]

AL is because of the Saban effect. He carries over to HS even though he does not coach in HS.

Edit: I meant blue font on this but got in a hurry and forgot.

 

[Vol8188]

A lot of it is demographics. The south in general has higher African American populations than other areas (the reason the SEC dominates). Louisiana is number 1 or 2 in terms of % African American. Georgia and Bama are also very high on that list.

Texas per capita isn’t actually that impressive in terms of producing talent. But Texas is just massive.

 

[Vol8188]

AL is because of the Saban effect. He carries over to HS even though he does not coach in HS.

That state had a ton of talent before saban. His first class was built on Bama players

 

[Big Al Orange]

Some states invest in high school football more than others

And that means lots of diamonds in the rough are being missed.

 

[LWSVOL]

My head now hurts. I had always tried to equate the number of high star guys by state PRIMARILY to a function of numbers, then of course impacted by competitiveness, facilities etc. There is some correlation between the two, but the ratios seem out of whack. These are all the July 21' population numbers for the NEW SEC and I added NC due to it's regional footprint implications.

Mathmatically FL should have 3X the star power of TN not over 9X. Do AL and LA have something in the water?

Population in millions and 4&5 stars combined in Rivals state listings. Use them cause I have easy FREE access, not an endorsement of their accuracy. Is the distribution of real athletic talent really this far askew?

TX 29.5 -- 65
FL 21.8 -- 76
GA 10.8 -- 35
NC 10.6 -- 10
TN 7.0 -- 8
MO 6.2 -- 12
SC 5.2 -- 4
AL 5.0 -- 23
LA 4.6 -- 22
KY 4.5 -- 3
OK 4.0 -- 6
AR 3.0 -- 1
MS 3.0 -- 7

If the services actually applied the star rankings based on true talent of the players, California, Texas, Florida and Georgia would produce 90% of the 4 and 5 stars.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Youth/pee we leagues have been around in places like FL since before the 70's. Places like those have kids that have been playing compeditively since they were 5. Meanwhile in TN kids aren't brought into league footbal until 6th grade.

 

[UTFanHades]

A lot of it is demographics. The south in general has higher African American populations than other areas (the reason the SEC dominates). Louisiana is number 1 or 2 in terms of % African American. Georgia and Bama are also very high on that list.

Texas per capita isn’t actually that impressive in terms of producing talent. But Texas is just massive.

It’s really this simple. Pick a random predominantly black small town in the black belt and compare that to a primarily Hispanic small or medium size city in the southwest and the former will have a lot more high quality football athletes even on a non per capita basis. West African genetics are beneficial to more sports than mestizo genetics. Same reason why there’s 2-3 billion Indian and Chinese people and you barely see them in the NFL/NBA.

 

[UTFanHades]

And tennessee coaches blow

Maryville/Alcoa/West/Catholic/Greenback say hi. East TN has good coaching but not much in terms of athletes. That begins to reverse as you cross the state heading west.

 

[JManVolFan]

TN was in the 3.0 to 4.0 range for years with 4/5*'s. Then again when I went to h.s. Bradley lost 77-0 to Cleveland. That's changed as well in the past ten yrs. Maybe Mayfields is putting an extra dose of Growth Hormones in the milk? Heh...

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Maryville/Alcoa/West/Catholic/Greenback say hi. East TN has good coaching but not much in terms of athletes. That begins to reverse as you cross the state heading west.

Middle Tennessee says bye... Historically, we have excellent raw talent with bad parents and worse coaches...‍♂

 

[Vol8188]

the it’s “the coaches” or “lack of investment crowd” aren’t being realistic. States don’t produce elite talent based on coaching or investment. I can invest all the money and buy the best coaches around, but if I’m spending that money in Montana, I’ll never produce talent at the same level as Louisiana. Even if I out spend. Even if I have better coaches.

 

[J C Higgins]

Somewhat related...globally American Samoa produces far more NFL players per capita than any US state, or did as of about 10 years ago.

 

[rocky top buzz]

Was watching a youth football game today in Smyrna and was within earshot of Donta Hightower's dad. He has 4 kids and I believe all are ridiculously good athletes. Ramone Foster's son is probably the best 14u baseball player in TN. Fact is, you can't teach genetics.

 

[SoddyAllVol]

Please tell me I’m not the only one who this didn’t make sense too. Never was good at math

 

[cbrown]

A lot of it is demographics. The south in general has higher African American populations than other areas (the reason the SEC dominates). Louisiana is number 1 or 2 in terms of % African American. Georgia and Bama are also very high on that list.

Texas per capita isn’t actually that impressive in terms of producing talent. But Texas is just massive.

 

[Vol8188]

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Just so happens to be where all the talent is too. Must be all the “investment” and good coaching people in here are talking about

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Was watching a youth football game today in Smyrna and was within earshot of Donta Hightower's dad. He has 4 kids and I believe all are ridiculously good athletes. Ramone Foster's son is probably the best 14u baseball player in TN. Fact is, you can't teach genetics.

That sort of tells me that the distribution of physical TALENT should be reasonably distributed by the numbers with distribution of superior genetics. Wish I had a way to compare HS 4&5 star numbers to draft numbers by state of origin, not where they graduated to see how closely they track, since both annually have in the neighborhood of 250 to 300. Should be an interesting study to see how closely they track. Could track even though 80% of 4 stars typically don't get drafted and are supplanted by 2&3 stars; but from where? Every CA miss could be offset with a CA replacement, etc.