Recruiting is Important but.....

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hmmm, so question, do you think Butch Jones could have won the NC last year if he was coaching at Alabama?
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Who knows? But I do know he would have won a lot of games and beat Tennessee.

You could also reverse the question and ask whether Fulmer would have had those great years and won a NC without Manning and Martin?

And would UGA have been as good had those running backs opted for the draft rather than returning?

You can't compete without the players. And great players make coaches look like geniuses.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Who knows? But I do know he would have won a lot of games and beat Tennessee.

You could also reverse the question and ask whether Fulmer would have had those great years and won a NC without Manning and Martin?

And would UGA have been as good had those running backs opted for the draft rather than returning?

You can't compete without the players. And great players make coaches look like geniuses.
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No you dont know he would have won more games. Its all speculation.

So why is it that Butch was able to recruit at such a high level, yet we couldnt win at a high level?
 
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Developing players is equally as important as recruiting. You also have to recruit the right players for your system and choose players you feel you can develop or will grow into positions.

Saban has created a dynasty because he recruits the best players but also develops those players. Auburn and Clemson have won National Championships because they had solid classes but an elite level QB in Cam Newton and Deshaun Watson.

Saban has changed the game because he has unlimited resources at Bama. He was using former coaches and coordinators, nutritionists, and so on before other teams caught on. While his coaches recruit, his advisors are watching film and developing game plans.

A while back, he hired a guy away from Tennessee who was very good with social media and marketing for recruiting. I donÂ’t remember his name right now. If Saban hears about a program doing something different, he makes sure he is doing it. No detail goes unnoticed. This is why Pruitt was adamant about having resources for a staff, not just coaches.

You can be successful with top 25 classes. You can win a National Championship with a top 5-10 class and an Elite QB. To compete every year with the likes of Bama, for a Championship, you need several top 5 classes back to back to back. Kirby Smart knows this and is trying to duplicate that at Georgia.

Pruitt needs to develop his current players and start winning again before he can expect to land multiple top classes. This season and the 2019 class are critical. Hopefully he can win 7-8 games and get to a bowl this year.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
More importantly would they have won an SEC game?
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Or if Jones had been HC at Alabama for 4 years (of course, their Admin would never have let that happen - but let's just imagine...) would Year 5 have been anything near a Championship?
 
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volfan102455 said:
Who knows? But I do know he would have won a lot of games and beat Tennessee.

You could also reverse the question and ask whether Fulmer would have had those great years and won a NC without Manning and Martin?

And would UGA have been as good had those running backs opted for the draft rather than returning?

You can't compete without the players. And great players make coaches look like geniuses.
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And really good players made Butch Jones look like the incompetent, blithering idiot head coach that he is after going 4-8 with them last year.
 
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KBVol said:
And really good players made Butch Jones look like the incompetent, blithering idiot head coach that he is after going 4-8 with them last year.
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Spot on KB. I would submit that while consistent top 5 recruiting classes (see Alabama) are a prerequisite for a dynastic run like we're seeing from gump-land, it is certainly a NECESSARY condition but not SUFFICIENT in itself to guarantee Top 10 rankings and a spot in the BCS year after year.

Top recruiting classes to be turned into NC's also require the training, discipline (and not talking "eye" type), schemes that work AND fit the talent, smart sideline decision-making ("game day coaching") and the character and integrity in the coaching staff that makes the team greater than the sum of its parts and prepared mentally and physically to perform at peak level for 60 minutes...

Sadly in 2017 we saw what "great recruiting" without the rest, can lead to...
 
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High rated classes and not even a division title to show for it. I think Jones is proof that players without a coach lead to low results. We have instances where good coaching with average players ended with results. Not the other way around. It takes development, a plan and a culture. None of which existed in Jones tenure.
 
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This is like saying food and water are important, but....
 
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There is enough talent that with solid fundamentals, a couple breaks falling their way can go on a run. Capable of beating anyone, also losing to anyone. 8-4 or 7-5 should be the mark, 8-4 if he can pull an upset and get a signature win.
 
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Also add that Pruitt is very good at evaluating talent. He recruits 3 stars in the secondary and coaches them up. He recognizes talent regardless of star rankings.
 
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As that d-bag Geno Auriemma said: there are 2 types of coaches; coaches with great players and coaches looking for jobs.
 
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Nocleats said:
Stopping attrition and getting some luck with injuries (which have been worse than anything I can remember over 46 years of following)
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Yes on attrition.

Injuries are a part of the game.... but consistently excessive injuries is a product of HC decisions- how they practice, scheme, techniques, players recruited, S&C....

Jones wasn't "unlucky"... he was a very bad coach.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hmmm, so question, do you think Butch Jones could have won the NC last year if he was coaching at Alabama?
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No for at least two reasons.

One, the extraordinary injury rates UT had under Jones didn't occur in a vacuum. They were the product of his choices, decisions, and coaching/system/scheme.

Two, Jones averaged about 2 losses per year that could have or should have been wins. He built a resume prior to UT beating bad teams with a 40% or less win rate against teams with a winning record. His propensity to NOT beat good teams continued and was magnified by the competition in the SEC.
 
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TexasVolfan1 said:
College Football Recruiting: Average class rank for last 10 national champs

Pretty undeniable how important recruiting is. Coaching matters for sure but it comes down to the players in college
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Exactly.

And I did a few recalculations. If all 4 JUCOs are gone after 2 years (although Jordan Allen may have 3 years eligibility) this class scores 214.9, which is 30th in the nation. If Allen has a 3rd year, we score 220.6, or 26th in the nation.

Unfortunately, we have to wait for the 2019 class to determine if this staff can recruit at the level needed to win an SEC Championship.
 
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