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A recently played opponent (2009) rolls back into Knoxville this weekend. A lot has transpired since the 63-7 shellacking Tennessee dished out in Lane Kiffin's debut. At the time, hopes were high on Rocky Top, as the hot shot young coach rolled into town and made a lot of noise on the recruiting trail. Sound familiar? Western Kentucky was one of the worst teams in Division 1 football. A lot has changed since then.

Willie Taggert took over the team in 2010 and had the following records:
2010: 2-10
2011: 7-5
2012: 7-6

He parlayed that notable success into a better job, and Bobby "Easy Rider" Petrino jumped onto the saddle, giving the Hilltoppers a chance at sustaining success and possibly building a strong program from nothing, ala Boise State.

Although comically disloyal, both to his teams (Louisville & ATL Falcons) and to his own wife, Petrino can coach ball. He can really coach ball. His offensive mind is top 5 in the nation.

So what does the game this week look like for Tennessee? Well, a good % of posters are concerned because of Petrino, and the fact that the Hilltoppers have defeated KY 2 years in a row. What we must keep in mind is that last year's KY team was horrifically terrible... even by KY's standards. This year's team, in spite of all of the recruiting hype for 2013 is still horrible.

Let's analyze why TN will not have a problem:

1. Athletes: Western KY does not have the athletes TN has. They can not match us physically or athletically with our 1's. Our 2's? Well, that may be a bit closer.

2. TN Rushing Attack: KY rushed for over 200 yards, with an eye popping 6.8 yards per carry. KY, y'all. What do you think our OL will do to their undersized defensive line? Even if Neal and Lane are average, we will rush for over 300 yards.

3. 3rd Down Conversion: KY only averaged a 40% 3rd down conversion rate. That will not win ball games. TN should be able to be able to at least convert 65%.

4. Return Game: West KY was weak defending the return game against KY. KY averaged nearly 25 yards per kick return and 27 per punt return. If TN can force enough punts, they will be able to flip the field position and be in scoring position more often. Also, DY is due one.

5. Revenge: Maybe it's an angle that's being played, maybe not. But knowing how Butch likes to motivate his players, I would be willing to bet he has reminded the upperclassmen of the 49-7 thrashing they received from Petrino at Arkansas in 2011. That loss stung, and the older players will be ready at a little redemption.

TN 45
WKY 24
 
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This is a good post Nick, and I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, you omitted our potential weakness, and their strength, the passing game. Petrino is known for his genius on offense, particularly the pass. Where is UT suspect? Exactly! That alone could make this a very close game. We shall see come Saturday. I will be there to watch a huge Vol win.
 
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I agree with almost everything here. Except, I think WKU offense is getting a little more credit than deserved in all of these scores I've been seeing. If they score more than 2 tds on our defense Butch will lose his mind.
 
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This is a good post Nick, and I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, you omitted our potential weakness, and their strength, the passing game. Petrino is known for his genius on offense, particularly the pass. Where is UT suspect? Exactly! That alone could make this a very close game. We shall see come Saturday. I will be there to watch a huge Vol win.

Agree. That's why the DL will need to step up, and I'm sure they will.
 
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I agree with almost everything here. Except, I think WKU offense is getting a little more credit than deserved in all of these scores I've been seeing. If they score more than 2 tds on our defense Butch will lose his mind.

Me too !
 
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We will open the flood gates against WKU. We have better talent! If we get out coached with lesser talent. Then I believe we are back to square one. I believe in butch jones though, and we will win Saturday!!!
 
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This is a good post Nick, and I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, you omitted our potential weakness, and their strength, the passing game. Petrino is known for his genius on offense, particularly the pass. Where is UT suspect? Exactly! That alone could make this a very close game. We shall see come Saturday. I will be there to watch a huge Vol win.

Since last week was very vanilla, I didn't really want to approach our weaknesses, since we have not really seen those displayed. We can discuss QB/WR timing, CB's and other things, but I think the things listed in my OP are enough for us to win easily. Part of me thinks WKY won't score more than 14, but I am a bit concerned about the short passing game picking us apart, and you see that reflected in the 24 points I gave them.

They are not able to stop us though, unless we have turnovers and Worley melts down.
 
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Dont they have a couple kids on their roster that are former highly recruited talents (Im thinking QB and RB for some reason)
 
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Dont they have a couple kids on their roster that are former highly recruited talents (Im thinking QB and RB for some reason)

According to Rivals, 100% 2* and 3* since 2010. I would guesstimate 60% 2*, after glancing at their classes
 
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This is a good post Nick, and I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, you omitted our potential weakness, and their strength, the passing game. Petrino is known for his genius on offense, particularly the pass. Where is UT suspect? Exactly! That alone could make this a very close game. We shall see come Saturday. I will be there to watch a huge Vol win.

If they dont get the ball they cant score.I look for us to ground and pound these guys to death.
 
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Okay here are some facts to stop the, "I'm scared of Bobby Petrino and WKU" $hit!

Recruiting rankings by rivals since 2010 since this is where the players on the team are relevant to.

Vols 2010 #9
2011 #13
2012 #17
2013 #21
2014 #2


WKU 2010 #89
2011 #90
2012 #75
2013 #90
2014 #91

bUTch PLEASE, Stop this crap! Oh and last time I checked, bUTch coaches our team, and train wreck Petrino coaches WKU!



Tennesseeduke
 
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Okay here are some facts to stop the, "I'm scared of Bobby Petrino and WKU" $hit!

Recruiting rankings by rivals since 2010 since this is where the players on the team are relevant to.

Vols 2010 #9
2011 #13
2012 #17
2013 #21
2014 #2


WKU 2010 #89
2011 #90
2012 #75
2013 #90
2014 #91

bUTch PLEASE, Stop this crap! Oh and last time I checked, bUTch coaches our team, and train wreck Petrino coaches WKU!



Tennesseeduke


I'm glad you signed your name at the bottom of the post. I would've never figured out who posted that.
 
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A recently played opponent (2009) rolls back into Knoxville this weekend. A lot has transpired since the 63-7 shellacking Tennessee dished out in Lane Kiffin's debut. At the time, hopes were high on Rocky Top, as the hot shot young coach rolled into town and made a lot of noise on the recruiting trail. Sound familiar? Western Kentucky was one of the worst teams in Division 1 football. A lot has changed since then.

Willie Taggert took over the team in 2010 and had the following records:
2010: 2-10
2011: 7-5
2012: 7-6
THIS IS KEY, IT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION AS A GREAT COACH TAKING OVER A GOOD TEAM WITH A BAD COACH. THEY WERE AN AVERAGE TEAM WITH A GREAT COACH LAST YEAR.

He parlayed that notable success into a better job, and Bobby "Easy Rider" Petrino jumped onto the saddle, giving the Hilltoppers a chance at sustaining success and possibly building a strong program from nothing, ala Boise State.

Although comically disloyal, both to his teams (Louisville & ATL Falcons) and to his own wife, Petrino can coach ball. He can really coach ball. His offensive mind is top 5 in the nation.
EXCELLENCE IN POSTING RIGHT HERE

So what does the game this week look like for Tennessee? Well, a good % of posters are concerned because of Petrino, and the fact that the Hilltoppers have defeated KY 2 years in a row. What we must keep in mind is that last year's KY team was horrifically terrible... even by KY's standards. This year's team, in spite of all of the recruiting hype for 2013 is still horrible.
AGREE

Let's analyze why TN will not have a problem:

1. Athletes: Western KY does not have the athletes TN has. They can not match us physically or athletically with our 1's. Our 2's? Well, that may be a bit closer.
AND WE ARE NOT OVERLOOKING THEM

2. TN Rushing Attack: KY rushed for over 200 yards, with an eye popping 6.8 yards per carry. KY, y'all. What do you think our OL will do to their undersized defensive line? Even if Neal and Lane are average, we will rush for over 300 yards.
IF OUR FIRST TEAM OL PLAYS 4 QUARTERS, NO REASON WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER 300 YARD RUSHING DAY.

3. 3rd Down Conversion: KY only averaged a 40% 3rd down conversion rate. That will not win ball games. TN should be able to be able to at least convert 65%.
NOT SURE WE CAN COUNT ON 65%, BUT WE WILL WIN A FEW EXTRA GAMES IF WE CAN ACHIEVE THIS.

4. Return Game: West KY was weak defending the return game against KY. KY averaged nearly 25 yards per kick return and 27 per punt return. If TN can force enough punts, they will be able to flip the field position and be in scoring position more often. Also, DY is due one.
OVERDUE

5. Revenge: Maybe it's an angle that's being played, maybe not. But knowing how Butch likes to motivate his players, I would be willing to bet he has reminded the upperclassmen of the 49-7 thrashing they received from Petrino at Arkansas in 2011. That loss stung, and the older players will be ready at a little redemption.
THIS WILL BE ESPECIALLY TRUE WITH JUSTIN WORLEY, THIS WAS HIS LAST START AND CERTAINLY A MEMORABLE ONE

TN 45
WKY 24
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Nick, Always appreciate (and usually agree with) most of your posts. I think we see a supercharged football team take the field Saturday afternoon. I think the most important point I make above is that this team is going from Willie Taggart to Bobby Petrino, a much different situation than for example Butch Jones replacing Derek Dooley.

One other point, I think our secondary underrated, at least the starters. Brian Randolph is awesome, and the defense utterly collapsed after his injury last year. LaDarrell McNeil was one of the bright points last year. Justin Coleman is legit, so we have one corner position that is a question mark ... and I did not hear Cam Sutton's name on Saturday. Malik got beat a couple times but made a big play too... Thus, I'm not as scared of WKU's passing attack as some of these posters.

Vols 34, WKU 17
 
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Chad Bishop @MrChadBishop
Petrino: "We've studied Cincinnati all winter and summer long."
Retweeted by Evan Woodbery
 
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Chad Bishop @MrChadBishop
Petrino: "We've studied Cincinnati all winter and summer long."
Retweeted by Evan Woodbery

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