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This is a QB comparison between JG in 2018 and Kelly Bryant in his full season with Clemson in 2017 and Jake Fromm at Georgia last year. JG at best played in 12 games in 2018 but was unable to finish some; Kelly had 14 games in 2017 and Jake had 14 games last year. Kelly had about 8 more pass attempts per game than JG and Jake had about 2 more attempts per game or if you account for JG getting knocked out of a couple games then he and Jake had about the same number of attempts per game. The data for JG and Jake comes from charts generated by PFF and the data for Kelly comes from a similar chart generated by CFB film room. The raw stats from cfbstats.com are provided as a reference. Apparently no two sets of stats are the same.

One other note. Back in May Jesse Simonton did a deep dive into the PFF database for SEC QBs and one of the more interesting things that he highlights really well is the less time a QB holds on to the ball the better he does and not just JG but all QBs. Even Tua’s and Fromm’s completion percentage drops below 60% if they hold on to the ball for more than 2.5 seconds. I’m not really all that sure why that is because I always figured if you give the QB enough time he’ll find somebody. It could be that there is an optimum window in the receiver’s route to deliver the ball. Anyway, when Pruitt says we’re holding onto the ball too long it could just as well be any other coach saying the same thing about his QBs. They time this thing down to the hundredths of seconds. Since all QBs apparently do it I guess it’s more of a matter of how many times you hold on to it “too long” that becomes a glaring problem? jmo.

The distance is the ball in the air. This is 3 different offensive play-callers, 2 with elite teams, and it looks to me like the distribution of passes, distance-wise down the field is very similar. We were a little lite in the 10-20 yard range compared to the others but we had a lot of success when we attacked that area. Anyway, someone, I think Hank, had said that Chaney likes to go with a short passing game. I can’t see that in the aggregate he’s a whole lot different from the other 2 play-callers from a distribution standpoint. What really stands out though with Chaney’s “short” passing game is that he gains more yards per attempt. Some of that could be on the playmakers but it could also have something to do with play design and/or play-calling. jmo.

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ChattaTNVol said:
This is a QB comparison between JG in 2018 and Kelly Bryant in his full season with Clemson in 2017 and Jake Fromm at Georgia last year. JG at best played in 12 games in 2018 but was unable to finish some; Kelly had 14 games in 2017 and Jake had 14 games last year. Kelly had about 8 more pass attempts per game than JG and Jake had about 2 more attempts per game or if you account for JG getting knocked out of a couple games then he and Jake had about the same number of attempts per game. The data for JG and Jake comes from charts generated by PFF and the data for Kelly comes from a similar chart generated by CFB film room. The raw stats from cfbstats.com are provided as a reference. Apparently no two sets of stats are the same.

One other note. Back in May Jesse Simonton did a deep dive into the PFF database for SEC QBs and one of the more interesting things that he highlights really well is the less time a QB holds on to the ball the better he does and not just JG but all QBs. Even Tua’s and Fromm’s completion percentage drops below 60% if they hold on to the ball for more than 2.5 seconds. I’m not really all that sure why that is because I always figured if you give the QB enough time he’ll find somebody. It could be that there is an optimum window in the receiver’s route to deliver the ball. Anyway, when Pruitt says we’re holding onto the ball too long it could just as well be any other coach saying the same thing about his QBs. They time this thing down to the hundredths of seconds. Since all QBs apparently do it I guess it’s more of a matter of how many times you hold on to it “too long” that becomes a glaring problem? jmo.

The distance is the ball in the air. This is 3 different offensive play-callers, 2 with elite teams, and it looks to me like the distribution of passes, distance-wise down the field is very similar. We were a little lite in the 10-20 yard range compared to the others but we had a lot of success when we attacked that area. Anyway, someone, I think Hank, had said that Chaney likes to go with a short passing game. I can’t see that in the aggregate he’s a whole lot different from the other 2 play-callers from a distribution standpoint. What really stands out though with Chaney’s “short” passing game is that he gains more yards per attempt. Some of that could be on the playmakers but it could also have something to do with play design and/or play-calling. jmo.

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That is really interesting.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
This is a QB comparison between JG in 2018 and Kelly Bryant in his full season with Clemson in 2017 and Jake Fromm at Georgia last year. JG at best played in 12 games in 2018 but was unable to finish some; Kelly had 14 games in 2017 and Jake had 14 games last year. Kelly had about 8 more pass attempts per game than JG and Jake had about 2 more attempts per game or if you account for JG getting knocked out of a couple games then he and Jake had about the same number of attempts per game. The data for JG and Jake comes from charts generated by PFF and the data for Kelly comes from a similar chart generated by CFB film room. The raw stats from cfbstats.com are provided as a reference. Apparently no two sets of stats are the same.

One other note. Back in May Jesse Simonton did a deep dive into the PFF database for SEC QBs and one of the more interesting things that he highlights really well is the less time a QB holds on to the ball the better he does and not just JG but all QBs. Even Tua’s and Fromm’s completion percentage drops below 60% if they hold on to the ball for more than 2.5 seconds. I’m not really all that sure why that is because I always figured if you give the QB enough time he’ll find somebody. It could be that there is an optimum window in the receiver’s route to deliver the ball. Anyway, when Pruitt says we’re holding onto the ball too long it could just as well be any other coach saying the same thing about his QBs. They time this thing down to the hundredths of seconds. Since all QBs apparently do it I guess it’s more of a matter of how many times you hold on to it “too long” that becomes a glaring problem? jmo.

The distance is the ball in the air. This is 3 different offensive play-callers, 2 with elite teams, and it looks to me like the distribution of passes, distance-wise down the field is very similar. We were a little lite in the 10-20 yard range compared to the others but we had a lot of success when we attacked that area. Anyway, someone, I think Hank, had said that Chaney likes to go with a short passing game. I can’t see that in the aggregate he’s a whole lot different from the other 2 play-callers from a distribution standpoint. What really stands out though with Chaney’s “short” passing game is that he gains more yards per attempt. Some of that could be on the playmakers but it could also have something to do with play design and/or play-calling. jmo.

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Looks to me like Helton’s offense was either short dump off passes or downfield (20+ yards) throws. An all-or-nothing approach. Which was a horrible coaching move considering we didn’t have an OL for that type of offense.

Glad we made a change.
 
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