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[Devo182]

No….. I am referring to offshore gambling which I have participated in for years.

They seem to be getting worse. At least Bovada/Bodog, the only one I used to use for poker. The last I even tried they wouldn't accept any form of payments from the US. Plus DK/FD gives you props (where the best money is these days), possibility for different lines/arbitrage, freebies all freakin day, and sometimes they even fatfinger odds. My buddy posts every time they do. He's probably made a few grand this year on accidentally posted odds alone lol.

Then there's the risk of withdrawal and taxes with offshore. Think I'll wait a few months for the legal sites.

 

[Kingston Vol]

How do you see this Pitt game?

1) Nice, early (and entertaining!) test for the Vols in Year 0 of a multi-year rebuild that will help us see where we are?​

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2) Critical game on which the entire season hinges - if we lose, it sets Heupel back, starting the clock on his tenure and begins introducing doubts about whether he's "the guy"?​

I continue to bump into Vol fans who are highly anxious and seem to fall into Category 2.

Why do we do this to ourselves??

I really hope Chip Kelly is successful at UCLA. If so, he will become my Exhibit A for how we should be treating our coaches.
Get out of the way and give them space to build for goodness sakes....

Depends on how the season goes, I think. Everything has context.

If we win and go on to win 7, it’s clear we used this game as a springboard. If we lose then only win 4, you could say the opposite.

I guess what I’m saying is you have to play the results. We don’t know what this game means right now, but we will by the end of the year.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Also...I can't figure out why the media etc. all seem so high on Pittsburgh.



They only gave up 24.5 ppg on defense last year, but there is a 2.5 PPG swing because they shutout Austin Peay (without that game they gave up 27.0ppg) Our all SEC worse team ever gave up 30.1ppg. Guess what I'm saying is I don't think Pitt is as good as the hype seems to be around them.


And I get they return a 5th year SR QB, but he's not that great. Dude's highest TD total in a single season is 13. And in both those seasons he tossed 9 picks, but he's not a huge rushing guy either. For his career he's got 607 yards rushing. Hooker in his last season a VA Tech (only played in 8 games) had 620 rushing yards.

 

[TurnoverTrashCan]

The FF has about 100 posts arguing for it. Now, reasonable arguments? Well it is the FF.

Right. I understand that it is a big game. And, obviously, one that we want to win. But, to act as if the entirety of our history and all of our future is bound up in this one game is beyond silly. Balderdash. Poppy cock.
Additionally, I typed out “Can someone give me a reasonable argument for number 2?” initially. Then I thought to myself… “Is that really something you want to say on Volnation?”. “They would have a field day with that”. Probably should have just went with it.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I have a wedding to go to Sunday so my wife is going to stay home with the newborn. She’s not happy she will be alone all day so Saturday I told her to leave and go get her nails done, massage, whatever she wants for however long she wants. She then tells me this morning she will be leaving a little before noon and I was like, “oh ****, I forgot. UT game is on at that time.”

While I’m excited to share it with my daughter and get her into her UT onesie and a UT bow, I also pray she just sleeps the entire game. Knowing her though I’ll probably be standing up rocking her for half the game so she will stay asleep. Will be an interesting, yet somehow probably nice, way to watch a UT game.

 

[StoVol]

I have a wedding to go to Sunday so my wife is going to stay home with the newborn. She’s not happy she will be alone all day so Saturday I told her to leave and go get her nails done, massage, whatever she wants for however long she wants. She then tells me this morning she will be leaving a little before noon and I was like, “oh ****, I forgot. UT game is on at that time.”

While I’m excited to share it with my daughter and get her into her UT onesie and a UT bow, I also pray she just sleeps the entire game. Knowing her though I’ll probably be standing up rocking her for half the game so she will stay asleep. Will be an interesting, yet somehow probably nice, way to watch a UT game.

Keep her up all night tonight

 

[Nash_Vol97]

You're suggesting VPN'ing with a different location? It could possibly work, but you run the risk in using someone else's address...then you have to withdraw...taxes...and if they catch you they can seize your account. All-in-all no problem if you're just expecting to lose anyway, but then what's the point (though I could see some people wanting to lay a few bucks/week as a cost of pure entertainment...it definitely makes watching a boring slate of games more interesting).

VPN into a Miami server address is how I watch all my Miami Dolphins games.

 

[Jack Burton]

Vol fans before playing Pitt:
The aren’t that good. I’m not impressed.

Vol fans after playing Pitt:
They’ll probably go undefeated except for Clemson.

 

[Revived2002]

Curious if those people ever tell you why they think it's so important.

I think it's all just some variation of the "Super Coach" fallacy.

This crazy idea that a Super Coach is out there who can win every ballgame and we're just too cheap and stupid to pay him the money he wants to come here and save our program.

That, plus their ego and self confidence is wrapped up in football, and any loss does direct damage to their pysche.

For the rest of us, we just want to be entertained and we think Tennessee can be great again if we just slow down and let someone build this thing like Johnny Majors did....

 

[volbeast33]

They seem to be getting worse. At least Bovada/Bodog, the only one I used to use for poker. The last I even tried they wouldn't accept any form of payments from the US. Plus DK/FD gives you props (where the best money is these days), possibility for different lines/arbitrage, freebies all freakin day, and sometimes they even fatfinger odds. My buddy posts every time they do. He's probably made a few grand this year on accidentally posted odds alone lol.

Then there's the risk of withdrawal and taxes with offshore. Think I'll wait a few months for the legal sites.

yep…… it’s not for everyone but I was quite successful with it over the years and never had any issues…. The payouts are a small issue but really enjoyed my time doing it with WSEX and then later TopBet….. Most people don’t pay taxes on offshore gambling.

 

[volbeast33]

VPN into a Miami server address is how I watch all my Miami Dolphins games.

VPN’s are great

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Vol fans before playing Pitt:
The aren’t that good. I’m not impressed.

Vol fans after playing Pitt:
They’ll probably go undefeated except for Clemson.

I get this is your new "schtick" or whatever, but Pitt beating us doesn't make them an elite powerhouse team.

They may finish with 7 or more wins, one could be us. But I don't think it's a given they'll come into Neyland and beat us. Most betting places have us (the home team) as a -3.5 or so underdog. And I'm seeing quite a few TN sports reporters predicting Pitt winning by more than a TD.

It could go that way I guess, anything can happen. But my point is all these things I'm pointing out about Pitt will be brought up to downplay us beating them (if we do) by the same media that's not discussing it now.

I guess how good is a 5th year QB if he's a 41 TDs 25 INTs for his career....when JG (argued by many to be one of the worst QBs we've had) left here with 38 TDs 17 INTs despite having 236 less completions.

 

[Devo182]

Depends on how the season goes, I think. Everything has context.

If we win and go on to win 7, it’s clear we used this game as a springboard. If we lose then only win 4, you could say the opposite.

I guess what I’m saying is you have to play the results. We don’t know what this game means right now, but we will by the end of the year.

What if we lose badly, then go on to win 7? No difference than losing to Ga St and BYU and doing the same. Or beating USC/Mizzou and getting wiped by every other non-HS team.

Sometimes games just don't mean a whole lot regardless. Applying meaning retroactively could make sense, since we then at least have all the info. Or it could just be us fans, looking on from a distance, and applying our own meaning where it doesn't exist. Sometimes only the players or coaches will know if a game meant or did anything for their future outcomes...and even they could just be filling in the gaps. Sometimes it's just pure variance and nothing more, but humans always need to apply meaning even to meaningless randomness, such as a ball bouncing one way or another.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Vol fans before playing Pitt:
The aren’t that good. I’m not impressed.

Vol fans after playing Pitt:
They’ll probably go undefeated except for Clemson.

To be honest I’m seeing alot more on here about how great they are (which isn’t true) than I am about how they aren’t any good. Sirius SEC channel is a big platform for the league and they are not giving us a shot at all and most media people have Pitt.

 

[Devo182]

Also...I can't figure out why the media etc. all seem so high on Pittsburgh.

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They only gave up 24.5 ppg on defense last year, but there is a 2.5 PPG swing because they shutout Austin Peay (without that game they gave up 27.0ppg) Our all SEC worse team ever gave up 30.1ppg. Guess what I'm saying is I don't think Pitt is as good as the hype seems to be around them.


And I get they return a 5th year SR QB, but he's not that great. Dude's highest TD total in a single season is 13. And in both those seasons he tossed 9 picks, but he's not a huge rushing guy either. For his career he's got 607 yards rushing. Hooker in his last season a VA Tech (only played in 8 games) had 620 rushing yards.

I'm not sure anyone is so high on Pitt. I think some just devalued us after game 1. They were expecting more from our offense it seems. It's still just a 3-4 pt spread. I think we'd be the 3-4 pt favorite had our passing game been on point last week. It has as much to do with our expectations as theirs.

 

[jave36]

For sure. Any state where casinoes have sway, they are going to get their way and be the first movers in that market. Same shiz in Nevada. Too much political capital. All that free market competition talk goes right out the window once lobbying money threatens to be taken away.

Yep, all these "conservatives" who say they believe in capitalism get very quiet when their campaign donations start to dry up. Worst example I ever saw when Tennessee denied EBP licenses to lay fiber in rural areas around Chattanooga at their own expense, then gave Comcast and ATT millions of taxpayer dollars to lay inferior infrastructure in those same areas. Crazy how such blatant bribery goes unchecked. Capitalism works so, so well. Crony capitalism doesn't.

 

[B EaZy40]

Any must eat places in Fort Walton? Haven’t been here in years. Open to suggestions from the VolNation crew.

Old Bay Steamer and The Gulf (Okaloosa Island) are solid.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I'm not sure anyone is so high on Pitt. I think some just devalued us after game 1. They were expecting more from our offense it seems. It's still just a 3-4 pt spread. I think we'd be the 3-4 pt favorite had our passing game been on point last week. It has as much to do with our expectations as theirs.

Yeah, but it's like legit 2 passes from a 52-6 outcome and football is a game of inches. I was kind of happy to see we can/would run the ball if that's what the defense was giving us.

 

[jave36]

I’m sure this worked out exactly as she thought it would

A woman running late for a flight said a bomb was in her bag. Now she's facing a felony charge — USA TODAY

How did she think that would help her make her flight?!

 

[Ryno14]

One thing I didn't think of until just now...

Tim Banks was Penn State co-DC the past 5 years. Pitt played Penn St 4x in that span.

Pitt scored 10 pts in 2019, 6 pts in 2018, 14 pts in 2017 and 42 pts in 2016 (Pitt averaged 41ppg in '16). Penn State had some really strong defenses 2017-2019.

The only season Penn State played current Pitt OC Mark Whipple was 2019.

 

[RikidyBones]

I mean I'll pretty much watch any sport but Football is always the first choice if it's on.


Also looking forward to watching this Kansas vs Coastal Carolina game at 7:30!


More important question...

2012 Dodge Ram 1500 Sport, Quad Cab, 4x4, 5.7 Hemi, 45k miles = what's it worth?

It's a dodge so $4.68

 

[Dudley Smith]

What if we lose badly, then go on to win 7? No difference than losing to Ga St and BYU and doing the same. Or beating USC/Mizzou and getting wiped by every other non-HS team.

Sometimes games just don't mean a whole lot regardless. Applying meaning retroactively could make sense, since we then at least have all the info. Or it could just be us fans, looking on from a distance, and applying our own meaning where it doesn't exist. Sometimes only the players or coaches will know if a game meant or did anything for their future outcomes...and even they could just be filling in the gaps. Sometimes it's just pure variance and nothing more, but humans always need to apply meaning even to meaningless randomness, such as a ball bouncing one way or another.

I guess my outlook on this game is that it is one of four games that I looked at as tossups going into the season. We'd need to win one to get to 6-6 and two to get to 7-5. I'd really like to see us go 7-5 because our last three failed coaches all went 5-7 or 6-6 in their first seasons. After one week, Ole Miss is looking like they may be better than we thought, UK is looking like their new QB may have them playing well, and Mizzou just falls at a bad place on our schedule. Losing to Pitt significantly reduces our chances of getting to my goal of 7-5. Losing doesn't mean Heupel isn't the guy, or this is a failed experiment, and we could be a team that improves over the course of the season and gets to 7-5 (or better) even if we do lose this game. So this game isn't the hinge of the season, or Heupel's tenure at Tennessee, but it's a game that would make me feel a lot better about the direction of our program if we win, and losing would just be more of the same old, same old we've seen for the last 10 years.

 

[Jack Burton]

I get this is your new "schtick" or whatever, but Pitt beating us doesn't make them an elite powerhouse team.

They may finish with 7 or more wins, one could be us. But I don't think it's a given they'll come into Neyland and beat us. Most betting places have us (the home team) as a -3.5 or so underdog. And I'm seeing quite a few TN sports reporters predicting Pitt winning by more than a TD.

It could go that way I guess, anything can happen. But my point is all these things I'm pointing out about Pitt will be brought up to downplay us beating them (if we do) by the same media that's not discussing it now.

I guess how good is a 5th year QB if he's a 41 TDs 25 INTs for his career....when JG (argued by many to be one of the worst QBs we've had) left here with 38 TDs 17 INTs despite having 236 less completions.

Who is saying they’re an elite powerhouse team? I’m just pointing out that we as fans often undermine our opponent before the game, then afterward talk about how they were much better than we thought - especially if we lose.

Pitt looks like an above average team and we look like average or slightly worse. I’m just saying it’s relative.

 

[BigOrange15]

Yeah, but it's like legit 2 passes from a 52-6 outcome and football is a game of inches. I was kind of happy to see we can/would run the ball if that's what the defense was giving us.

Same, that was maybe the biggest takeaway of the whole game for me and one I feel like isn't getting the recognition it deserves. We finally, FINALLY have a coach/staff that will take what the other team is giving them and then hammer down on it. We ran it down their ****ing throat because BG was all but daring us to.

 

[volbeast33]

Who is saying they’re an elite powerhouse team? I’m just pointing out that we as fans often undermine our opponent before the game, then afterward talk about how they were much better than we thought - especially if we lose.

Pitt looks like an above average team and we look like average or slightly worse. I’m just saying it’s relative.

I think Pitt is an average/ solid team on a level slightly below kentucky most year…we have more potential as a team but haven’t proven anything yet.