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Nice anecdote, thanks for sharing.
Sometimes I've noticed, more and more lately with new faces entering this thread that people take fact/stat sharing as arguing points. Often in arguments we tend to move the target, most people try to turn everything into a "in my shoes" style of debate. It's natural that happens, since it's not always easy to relate to topics with no former experience.
But the numbers I shared were simply shared to point out that HS football players getting full ride D1 offers happen at a lower % than kids with 1400+ SATs. So if you want to be more selective with handing out scholarships you'd hand them out to the group that has a lower % of people in it. If you then look into the return on investment it's no longer even worth a debate. Even if just a small portion of the players you've had on scholarship make it to the pros you've gotten back millions from the related revenue generated from attendance/viewership to their games. We already know that if they weren't making money, they wouldn't be giving out the scholarships. At the JuCo level most those kids are paying their own way or taking out loans for this very reason. Very few JuCo programs have the revenue to fully support their student athletes past equipment, attire, and medical expenses.
My anecdote was to illustrate my view. I can agree with both of your arguments/opinions. I can also disagree with both sides. Kinda the cool thing about opinions.
Most of life is a bit of both sides.
Only a few absolutes:
1. Human life is individually finite.
2. If you are human and alive past your 50th birthday, 100% incidence of arthritic changes in your spine.
3. 100% incidence of prostate cancer if you reach 90. 100% incidence of uterine cancer by age 90. (Obviously not if it was removed) Doesn’t mean that it is cause of death...just 100% present by age 90. ( I look at it as a life time clock to prevent a world full of Methuselahs)
Agree & will also add that since (I assume) Heupel didn't necessarily recruit most of the guys currently on the team, the parents haven't had a chance to get to know him. Obviously, on-field results are what matter the most, but, so far, I've been really impressed with everything current staff is doing!Good idea connecting with parents. Kids can get emotional and you need parents on your side in the transfer portal era. They need to feel comfortable pushing back on their son to be patient. You can see in case if Henry T what parent not being on your side can do. Having an outspoken one like Hyatt on your side can help round up the others. Also helps his kid is likely a star next yr and his other kid has star written all over him.
My point was not about money generated by an athlete vs student it was about actual impact in everyday life by a Dr, researcher, engineer etc. in general over that of a football player. Yes some of the football players may very well go on to become many of the professionals mentioned above but a larger percentage will not.Nice anecdote, thanks for sharing.
Sometimes I've noticed, more and more lately with new faces entering this thread that people take fact/stat sharing as arguing points. Often in arguments we tend to move the target, most people try to turn everything into a "in my shoes" style of debate. It's natural that happens, since it's not always easy to relate to topics with no former experience.
But the numbers I shared were simply shared to point out that HS football players getting full ride D1 offers happen at a lower % than kids with 1400+ SATs. So if you want to be more selective with handing out scholarships you'd hand them out to the group that has a lower % of people in it. If you then look into the return on investment it's no longer even worth a debate. Even if just a small portion of the players you've had on scholarship make it to the pros you've gotten back millions from the related revenue generated from attendance/viewership to their games. We already know that if they weren't making money, they wouldn't be giving out the scholarships. At the JuCo level most those kids are paying their own way or taking out loans for this very reason. Very few JuCo programs have the revenue to fully support their student athletes past equipment, attire, and medical expenses.
My point was not about money generated by an athlete vs student it was about actual impact in everyday life by a Dr, researcher, engineer etc. in general over that of a football player. Yes some of the football players may very well go on to become many of the professionals mentioned above but a larger percentage will not.
My question was posed originally about the practice of paying a athlete and or their parents ( money, job, housing) for them to attend a University vs that of a student coming to school in these other fields. I realize it is about money but sometimes it is nice to think beyond the dollar and look at it from a different position. If a kids has aspirations of reaching lofty goals that potentially could benefit the masses were recruited with the same fervor what would it look like.
This Tennessee boy was whipping kids from West Virginia and Ohio my senior year in rastlinWhen I moved to wv from TN in mid 90s, rasslin was life up here, still is. I had no idea what it was, and when they asked me to wrestle, he’ll, I thought it was like wwf!! Lol
I wrestled one year in 9th grade, got my ass handed to me by kids that had wrestled since they were like 4 yo. Stuck with baseball like you!
Lots of back and knee injuries associated with golf. I've had a knee surgery and two spinal fusions as a result. I've never been a Tiger fan, but I'm hoping and praying that this wasn't a result of a relapse. Nobody deserves the pain inflicted with that horrible disease.Good lord..... how do you get this many injuries from Golf? Can’t be.
Anyways, add another Back surgery to that list, as well as both legs being broken..... with compound fractures..... no wonder this dude was an alcoholic..... dudes going to always be hurting.
The school itself doesn’t benefit as much from students that go on to do great things.... they benefit millions from student athletes.... this issue really started to come up when coaches started getting paid insane amounts of money and the school also benefits off of a players likeness..... how much money has Tennessee made off of 16 jerseys?My point was not about money generated by an athlete vs student it was about actual impact in everyday life by a Dr, researcher, engineer etc. in general over that of a football player. Yes some of the football players may very well go on to become many of the professionals mentioned above but a larger percentage will not.
My question was posed originally about the practice of paying a athlete and or their parents ( money, job, housing) for them to attend a University vs that of a student coming to school in these other fields. I realize it is about money but sometimes it is nice to think beyond the dollar and look at it from a different position. If a kids has aspirations of reaching lofty goals that potentially could benefit the masses were recruited with the same fervor what would it look like. And as you pointed out , some people are educated way beyond their intelligence, it is apparent everyday.
The school itself doesn’t benefit as much from students that go on to do great things.... they benefit millions from student athletes.... this issue really started to come up when coaches started getting paid insane amounts of money and the school also benefits off of a players likeness..... how much money has Tennessee made off of 16 jerseys?
I just don’t believe thisFwiw I have no inside contacts.
However I do business with a Knoxville local and I’ve heard the McDonald’s bag money was given through the drive through at a local McDonald’s by random McDonald’s employees.
When I originally heard the McDonald’s bag story I figured the staff was using the bags or something. But to have this amount of cash at a local McDonald’s and trusting those employees to pass it out and stay silent about it is insanely reckless
Joyner Lucas
Edit: Now that I watched more than 10 seconds of the clip you right