Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Bassmaster_Vol]

We have the money to hire whoever the crap we want

 

[tnhunter 10]

So off topic, is anyone nervous about the rapidly produced and cleared Covid vaccines?
I may have the opportunity to get it early... I don’t really want to become a zombie though.

I work for the Govt. I do have the opportunity to get it very soon. But, idk if I will. I'm 36 and pretty healthy. I may pass.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I still can't fathom how Pruitt doesn't see how his current method is NOT working.

Go get Yurcich or Lebby or Briles, give them ENTIRE control over the offense, 4th down decisions, end of half decisions, practice, etc. Everrrrything.

Pruitt goes all in defense, HC duties. That is a winnable situation. This current crap is not.

I honestly think that's what Chaney was supposed to be, but Pruitt cannot get out of his own way. I 100% believe this offense is different if Chaney has freedom.

 

[butchna]

I find that hard to believe. The year before he was fired, Clemson lost games in which their offense scored 16, 10, 13, and 7 points. They averaged 20 PPG in games against P5 opponents that year. There was a reason they tapped Dabo on the shoulder and told him to fire Napier after that season.

When Swinney was promoted from interim head coach to full-time head coach after the 2008 season, Napier was promoted to offensive coordinator while retaining his duties as QB coach.[8] After a 2009 season where Clemson would go on to win the ACC Atlantic Division behind the strength of Napier's offense that scored a then school record 436 points,[9] A steep reduction in Clemson's offensive output led to Napier's termination at the end of the 2010 season.[10]

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[Devo182]

Bobo actually would have been a great hire year 1 or 2 when he had the do over. Bobo is very good OC and has evolved with the game some. He is an elite recruiter in GA and elite QB recruiter. Look at Gunner Stockton commit he got. You can’t take anything from this yr. he inherited no QB and no WRs yet still found a way to manufacture some points at time with a nice run game. If your adamant to keep friend then bobo made more sense than Chaney as OC as the two worked along time together.

That being said I think it’s a bad move in a must win year. Chaney isn’t the problem and he has not been able to coach his own recruiter QB yet. It’s unfair to judge an OC without his own handpicked QB. So if you make a move you are doing it again with Bobo unless Bobo is more team Bailey than Chaney which is possible with his GA background.

Imo you leave Chaney alone and see what he does with his own guy in Salter or anyone not named JG. Let him make changes on staff if he needs to. Then Pruitt can focus on his own side of the ball.

Because Chaney suuuuucks.

50% of FBS teams are scoring 30+ PPG right now. Chaney has only done that ONCE in his 6 seasons here. Pruitt sure as heck is not a good combo with him. The offense is terrible regardless of the QB!

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Theres us some of that f u money baby!
@Atlanta VOL

 

[KB5252]

This deal gives the SEC FU money. They can take this and break from the NCAA, just need one other major conference to jump and dominos will all fall.

 

[FranklinVFL]

It's ole miss and wherever freeze is, for me.

Yep. I'll be jumping on the Lane Train.

Can't handle this UT flaming hot dumpster fire and the decommitment from winning.

 

[Batman1948]

I’d be down with Napier if a coaching change is made.

I’d be down with Freeze but that one isn’t realistic for reasons I’ve already stated.

I dont think a change is made, and I sure as hell am not rooting for a loss to Vanderbilt this year. But if a change is made, Napier works IMO.

I don't think you're gonna get a good coach on a 1 year contract. The profession is to fickle and tied to the head coach. If one comes here, he's gonna want some kind of security for his family. That's just the way it is with coaches. They are all hired to be fired eventually.

 

[05_never_again]

I honestly think that's what Chaney was supposed to be, but Pruitt cannot get out of his own way. I 100% believe this offense is different if Chaney has freedom.

Chaney must have really signed his deal with us as a final, retirement contract. You don't play somebody $1.5-2m/year to be dictated to by a defensive-minded head coach unless they're checking out and decided this is their last stop no matter what.

That's the kind of money you pay somebody to come in and fully run an offense, but we're Tennessee.

 

[Devo182]

I honestly think that's what Chaney was supposed to be, but Pruitt cannot get out of his own way. I 100% believe this offense is different if Chaney has freedom.

I do agree, at least to us fans, that's what we expected - OC with total control. But I'm not as sure it would be much better anyway, as he is mediocre regardless. But like you said, some of that is Pruitt. Chaney is submissive. He did what Kirby wanted, what Bielema wanted, etc. He doesn't have a scheme that is his own. Just calls a bunch of generic, old plays based on what the HC wants.

 

[Blake25p]

Deal doesn’t start until 2024 so I’m not sure how the money situation will be handled.

 

[franklinpence]

Whew. 40 new pages since I checked in this morning. You folks have been busy.

 

[volatil]

Tennessee gets this money and will be still shopping at The Dollar Store.

 

[05_never_again]

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Ah, you're referring to the 2009 season. Two years before he was fired.

Looking at that season, they really cleaned up against defensive juggernauts like MTSU, Coastal Carolina, a 7-6 FSU, NC State, and Virginia. The offense was shut down by most of the good defenses they played, like TCU and South Carolina.

Regardless, he sucked the next year and was fired. Hardly a consistent, sustainable performance.

 

[KB5252]

I'm not as sure, as he is mediocre regardless. But like you said, some of that is Pruitt. Chaney is submissive. He did what Kirby wanted, what Bielema wanted, etc. He doesn't have a plan that is his own. Just calls a bunch of generic, old plays based on what the HC wants.

Chaney's offense requires a solid defense to be successful. He runs a ball control steady churning offense. It's boring but it works...... If you have the personal on offense and defense, we don't.

 

[butchna]

Ah, you're referring to the 2009 season. Two years before he was fired.

Looking at that season, they really cleaned up against defensive juggernauts like MTSU, Coastal Carolina, a 7-6 FSU, NC State, and Virginia. The offense was shut down by most of the good defenses they played, like TCU and South Carolina.

Regardless, he sucked the next year and was fired. Hardly a consistent, sustainable performance.

He was fired in 2010. So 2009 would be the “season before he was fired.” Even with your qualifiers, have I eased the difficulty in believing?

 

[FranklinVFL]

Chaney will be the sacrificial lamb and we will go overpay for Bobo who won't do any better. Pruitt will get an overhauled staff and we will be sitting at 6-6 absolute best case scenario next year while hearing about how good we practice after the losses.

It's the Tennessee way.

Yep...why pay only one OC buyout when you can pay for two...........

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Chaney must have really signed his deal with us as a final, retirement contract. You don't play somebody $1.5-2m/year to be dictated to by a defensive-minded head coach unless they're checking out and decided this is their last stop no matter what.

That's the kind of money you pay somebody to come in and fully run an offense, but we're Tennessee.

I'm not as sure, as he is mediocre regardless. But like you said, some of that is Pruitt. Chaney is submissive. He did what Kirby wanted, what Bielema wanted, etc. He doesn't have a plan that is his own. Just calls a bunch of generic, old plays based on what the HC wants.

Heres why I think that way. Last Sunday on the coaches show, Pruitt made a comment in the 4th quarter that he felt the offense finally found its identity. While its concerning as hell that it took 8 games to find it im interested to see what it looks like these final two games. Imo Pruitt has kept the governor on and forced Chaney into these 21 personnel sets and that's not what he's good at call. Imo we see a lot more trips and 11 personnel these final two games. Imo that gets Chaney back to his spread roots and he is more comfortable calling the offense that way. It also lightens the box up and gives EG more room to work on inside zone.

 

[snowvols]

Some offensive numbers from that 2009 team

 

[05_never_again]

He was fired in 2010. So 2009 would be the “season before he was fired.”

Fired after the 2010 season, technically in 2011. Doesn't matter. He wasn't a great OC at Clemson. The "most points in school history" stuff kind of reminds me of Mike DeBord's offense in 2016; didn't we score the most points in school history by virtue of scoring 50-60 points a few times on teams like Kentucky and Vandy? Would anybody here say that Mike DeBord was a good OC?

 

[FranklinVFL]

At least when we eventually are a good team again and get prime time games it’ll be the 8:00 ABC slot and not the BS that is the 3:30 CBS kickoff that hasn’t been good in years

When???? Don't you mean IF?

 

[scvolfan7]

Fired after the 2010 season, technically in 2011. Doesn't matter. He wasn't a great OC at Clemson.

Plus we aren’t hiring him to be an OC. We’re hiring him to be the head coach.

 

[engineerVOL]

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Deal doesn’t start until 2024 so I’m not sure how the money situation will be handled.