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JohnnyMajorsFlask said:
So let's say this season ends in a 3-9 result. Other 2 wins are over UAB and Vanderbilt. Season ticket sales which have been struggling somewhat already will take an absolute nose dive. Recruiting will be lucky to finish in the top 25. I have to believe as crazy as many think it sounds that a change will be made. I thought that was absolutely impossible when this season began but without a doubt believed that this was going to be a 6-6 season at worst.
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3-9? Not trying to be dramatic but I’d be shocked this team wins another game.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Total non win scenario.

Keep disgruntled players who provide seniority and depth but cost culture development

Drive away disgruntled players and risk losing talent while every loss is heat on your seat and generates apathy and lack of faith from the fanbase.

What a disaster
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It takes a special situation to create a disaster like this. It ain’t the fans. It ain’t the administration.
 
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eVOLve said:
Top 2 issues that need fixing are QB play and pass rush. The secondary will look night and day better with a pass rush.
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As someone noted Coach Matthews state. When we blitz, we play man as opposed to playing Zone when we only send 4. I think our safety play is limiting us as well. I can not understand some of the angles and reads that Nigel Warrior takes. On one touchdown pass, where FL ran the double post, Nigel Warrior goes to help the shallow post which left the middle of the field wide open. The CB had outside leverage. From the replay, it even looks like he tells Burrell to play outside leverage. These upperclassmen are Trash....I am ready for them to go.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I listened to Coach Doug Matthew’s Big Orange Sunday show yesterday and one of the things he talked about was from his time as defensive coordinator here. Doug said whether when he was a player or a coach he has never seen a good base man coverage team do well in zone coverage or a base zone coverage team do well in man coverage. He said he also hasn’t seen that at the NFL level. In college, he said, if your base coverage schemes are man and you recruit to that and you practice man coverage in camps and the practice weeks, your guys are probably not going to do well in zone coverage or vice versa. He said when he was coaching defense they were a zone defense about 90% of the time. They had a lot of different looks in their zones but it was zone nonetheless. He said they would sometimes play a sort of man out of the zone but they weren’t a man defense.

He talked about when they hired a young Johnny Chavis onto the defensive staff during his time as the coordinator. He talked about how Chavis went on to become a highly regarded defensive coordinator in his own right but there was something else people would talk about when they talked about John, 3rd and Chavis. Doug said when Chavis became a defensive coordinator he went to a base man coverage defense but when he would get teams in long yardage situations he’d oftentimes go to zone coverage and of course the opposing offense would often times pick up the needed yardage to get the first down.

He said when push comes to shove you always go back to what you work on all the time and he said for our team right now that is man coverage. He said when you have to make a stop you have to go with what you hang your hat on. He said we’re not a very good zone team. He said HT was getting lost out there Saturday and went on to point out he’s a freshman and has the potential to be one of the best we’ve had in a long long time but he works a lot on man and doesn’t seem to always know where to go in zone.

He said we did a pretty good job stopping the run with our down linemen and linebackers. Florida averaged 3.5 yards per rushing attempt, only had 2 runs over 10 yards, and the longest run was 13 yards. He pointed out that not only is our run defense improving but we’re doing a better job of stopping the other side when we make a turnover. We had 4 turnovers and gave up 1 TD and 1 FG. Against the run he said our linemen were beginning to play with better leverage, something he as a former coach looks for.

He was very complimentary of our defensive linemen in their performance against the run but he said we’re not going to be a good pass rushing team unless we blitz. We had 2 sacks against Florida and both were made by Bituli. He said what we were trying to do is rush 4 and have 7 guys back in zone coverage and we aren’t very good at that. When we bring a blitz we switch to man coverage.

On offense he said there was zero misdirection in the run game and he still doesn’t understand that. He said he had been led to believe we would run some misdirection last week but he didn’t see a single instance. He said the jet sweep is not misdirection. Misdirection, he said, is when you get the defense moving one way and you end up with the run going the other way.

He said the staff is going to have to make a lot of decisions at the start of the bye week. He said we’re going to have to simplify and do what we do best, on both sides of the ball. He said the biggest decision is we need a playmaker at QB and we’re either going to stick with the status quo or we’re going to make a change. He doesn’t see how Maurer is not the starter coming out of the bye week. He doesn’t know what they will do but that’s his opinion on the situation. #2, he said, is not a very good playmaker and it’s hard to believe that his teammates have any confidence in him at all to be able to make plays. He said as far as he knows no one expects #2 to be the QB next year so since we’re not going to compete for a championship this year the situation suggests that you build for the future. He said there are a number of winnable games on our schedule, mostly after we get past Alabama, so that is what we should be working toward.

He reiterated that in his opinion the Georgia State game was all on the coaches. He said as long as we’re playing young guys or any guys, but especially young guys, they’re going to make mistakes. If you don’t want to have any mistakes at all you won’t be able to play the game of football. Younger guys tend to make more mistakes but in our case some of our best playmakers are younger guys. You play the game of football with playmakers and if you don’t have any then you don’t have a very good team. Play the ones you’ve got.
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Everyone gives @HankHill grief but he was the first to question why we are in zone so much when we have practiced and recruited man corners... We are playing so much youth that it would be a lot easier for them to play man coverage. Come on coaches, please get it together. If we somehow made a bowl game, I would thank whoever on here a million times for selling their soul to the devil.
 
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awaitingawin said:
I don't think Banks is happy at all.................and I mean at all..........somewhere it has to come out if true
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Locker room issues are a given on any team. Winning teams with strong leaders don’t allow such disgruntled players to be an issue in most cases. When teams are losing you are always going to hear about things like this.

It’s really overblown to talk About. When only 22 of the 85 get to start plenty of players are going to be unhappy on ALL teams
 
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roasting the staff is low hanging fruit. and i get that. and i am not telling you i think they've done well in any capacity.

but you don't wind up this bad this fast w/out there being a combination of issues.

it's not like the roster issues we have are brand new information.

you have players that we should be able to expect more from making GIANT mistakes...veteran OL getting personal fouls...veteran WR dropping a TD and creating a turnover...veteran QB that throws awful ints and misses completely wide open receivers...veteran DB that consistently blows coverage.......veteran RB that can't catch a swing pass and already has too many turnovers on his own...a qb that can't complete a swing pass and has too many turnovers of his own.

the low hanging fruit says "isn't that the coaches fault anyway?"....well, ultimately yeah. but at the end of hte day....we work with what we have, and i'm sorry, guys like JG, Warrior, Calbert, even Trey Smith and Jennings and Chandler have all made critical bone headed mistakes this season.....

then throw in a bunch of young guys that are still figuring out what to do and making mistakes as well...............

and a staff that treated game one like a spring game..........

and a fan base arguing over who sucks worse,and firing up coaching boards and blasting players on social media and forming conspiracy theories about everything and anything under the sun.................

and i give you the 2019 Tennessee Volunteers....
 
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Rishvol said:
Well they're like KV and HH. Talk out of their behind and for some reason people take it in and listen
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Or we can get our heads out of the sand and realize Pruitt is not doing a good job. How can we trust the process when we are regressing as a team in year two?
 
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RyanWalkerPGH said:
I can't imagine watching Tennessee Football for the last two seasons and thinking the situation under this coaching staff is salvageable. A lot of you are lying to yourselves.
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short term, no, it's not. we're gonna suck the rest of htis year and probably next year.

the only way this staff salvages this program is if they're given time....(note, i didn't advocate one way or the other with that statement.)

obviously, that's a debatable topic amongst fans at the present time.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Everyone gives @HankHill grief but he was the first to question why we are in zone so much when we have practiced and recruited man corners... We are playing so much youth that it would be a lot easier for them to play man coverage. Come on coaches, please get it together. If we somehow made a bowl game, I would thank whoever on here a million times for selling their soul to the devil.
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#unclehank

Bye week for both home teams guys. Gonna go enjoy myself and explore. I’ll pass along some pff stats and grades when i get them but other than that, y’all are gonna have to find someone else to fight with this week.

✌🏻
 
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We are 11th in the SEC in recruiting and we are losing to teams we are fighting recruits for. Pruitt said in fall camp that JG was the only sure starter on the team. How is that working for us? Team lacks an ounce of passion.
 
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I hope we give Pruitt 4 years to get his guys in here, purge the left over Butch Jones premadonnas ans see what he can do with a full roster of his own players.
 
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I read earlier in this thread where that the upperclassman are upset with CP because he isn't giving them much attention and playing time. I know we have a few upperclassman that can play but for me if we are going to go 2-10 or 3 -9 I would much rather junk the Butch group and throw out there the young guys and let them get experience. Now I still would like to see the stupid mistakes disappear and improvement as we go. Give me some hope that if we happen to get a decent class this December that we are at least putting better talent out on the field. I can handle that better than a QB that needs to be playing for TN Martin and a Safety that can't tackle and can't cover. I know we are stuck with CP for another year and if I was him I would roll with BM and throw Harrison and crouch and Simmons out there let them get ready for next year.
 
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