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I know some will question "real analysis", but this will be better than all the drunk armchair wannabe coaches that have never coached a day in their lives.
Josh Heupel has won 70% of his games at Tennessee (that is 75% when you through out his first year). This stat alone is amazing, especially when you realize the program he inherited. The only Tennessee coaches that had similar coaching records were General Neyland and Philip Fulmer (the only two coaches to win national titles at Tennessee). Even good ole Johnny Majors only had a 65% winning record. Oh, and the prior four coaches had between 45% and 55%, just in case some of you have forgotten.
This year's Tennessee team was the first team since Fulmer to have over 50% of the roster be blue-chip athletes (this is considered a must to win a national championship, since no team has won a national championship in the modern era with less than 51%). Heupel's next class will move this closer to 60%. For comparison, the top four programs (Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas) have over 80%. So, other than a rare year, you really need closer to 80% to compete for a national title. Again, Heupel inherited 38% and has us closing in on 60%.
Doing a fair analysis of a coach isn't about one game, one loss, or one season; it is about his overall performance while head coaching. I think a fair analysis of Heupel's shortcomings would reveal lack of effective halftime adjustments (Heupel creates incredible pre-game game plans; however, other really good coaches make necessary adjustments and we lose in the second half sometimes due to this to the great teams). Additionally, it appears that time management, especially at the end of a half or the game has become an issue. However, both of these are manageable. Either Heupel can get some professional development in these areas or have an assistant coach who is good at them take these responsibilities.
While I honestly don't recognize Volnation anymore (which is why I come in here less and less), Tennessee is a good program who is close to making the leap into the upper echelon of teams again (those who three out of four years are in the playoffs). This list of teams is less than ten! So, while it has been a tough season, just think about what Heupel and company did it with. They took a former juco-App State QB and plugged him into the system with just fall practice to learn everything and now he is good enough to at least get a look as a free agent in the NFL. No other coach or team is coaching players up at this level.
So, whine all you want. Make all your negavol posts, but Heupel hopefully will be here for another ten years with AD Danny White. If so, it will give us our best chance at another special season ending with a National Championship!
 
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Fair analysis OP and great points. Only Fulmer had it better than CJH walking in. Granted, probation and defects of players was massive. However, not since the beginning to middle of the Fulmer era have we had such easy schedules. Not all SEC teams we play are down but the majority outside of Bama and Georgia are. Shoot, even Jones would have had a better record than he had had he played against our recent schedules.
 
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good post, lot of time and effort. now analyze the team penalties per game since year 1, analyze the defense stats since year 1. Then analyze his wins against the teams he has beaten and their win % collectively. His offense feasts on lower teams and more times than not, has faltered against top 20 competition.

He HAS TO MAKE A DC CHANGE. if he doesn't, he will lose a majority of the fans and their support and he will be jeopardizing his own job.

I am beyond grateful for what he pulled us from, but at some point, he has to show us he can win the big games consistently and not just pull off an upset or two to keep the masses satisfied. I don't see a coach who will consistently get us to the SEC Championship game, still hasn't done that in year 5, and definitely not a playoff every other type coach, unless they expand again.
 
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In SEC only…we scored 274 points, lead the league, at this point. We’ve given up 269, only two teams have given up more and, combined, those two schools have won 1 game between them in SEC play.

This year we are 0-4 vs. Top 25 teams.

Stats aren’t everything but they aren’t nothing. Style of play is a factor too. I don’t have the answer, but going fast on offense doesn’t matter if ya can’t get off the field on defense.

Two cents.

GBO!!!
 
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I know some will question "real analysis", but this will be better than all the drunk armchair wannabe coaches that have never coached a day in their lives.
Josh Heupel has won 70% of his games at Tennessee (that is 75% when you through out his first year). This stat alone is amazing, especially when you realize the program he inherited. The only Tennessee coaches that had similar coaching records were General Neyland and Philip Fulmer (the only two coaches to win national titles at Tennessee). Even good ole Johnny Majors only had a 65% winning record. Oh, and the prior four coaches had between 45% and 55%, just in case some of you have forgotten.
This year's Tennessee team was the first team since Fulmer to have over 50% of the roster be blue-chip athletes (this is considered a must to win a national championship, since no team has won a national championship in the modern era with less than 51%). Heupel's next class will move this closer to 60%. For comparison, the top four programs (Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas) have over 80%. So, other than a rare year, you really need closer to 80% to compete for a national title. Again, Heupel inherited 38% and has us closing in on 60%.
Doing a fair analysis of a coach isn't about one game, one loss, or one season; it is about his overall performance while head coaching. I think a fair analysis of Heupel's shortcomings would reveal lack of effective halftime adjustments (Heupel creates incredible pre-game game plans; however, other really good coaches make necessary adjustments and we lose in the second half sometimes due to this to the great teams). Additionally, it appears that time management, especially at the end of a half or the game has become an issue. However, both of these are manageable. Either Heupel can get some professional development in these areas or have an assistant coach who is good at them take these responsibilities.
While I honestly don't recognize Volnation anymore (which is why I come in here less and less), Tennessee is a good program who is close to making the leap into the upper echelon of teams again (those who three out of four years are in the playoffs). This list of teams is less than ten! So, while it has been a tough season, just think about what Heupel and company did it with. They took a former juco-App State QB and plugged him into the system with just fall practice to learn everything and now he is good enough to at least get a look as a free agent in the NFL. No other coach or team is coaching players up at this level.
So, whine all you want. Make all your negavol posts, but Heupel hopefully will be here for another ten years with AD Danny White. If so, it will give us our best chance at another special season ending with a National Championship!
I don't think most reasonable fans want JH fired, but if changes on the staff aren't made this off-season that will be alarming.

No doubt, JH took a bad program and put a solid foundation under it. The concern, I think is how we are trending at the half decade mark.

Josh's best season so far has been with players he inherited and a with a QB he had on the bench at the start of his tenure.
Concerns that are valid IMO-

We are consistently recruiting behind the top teams in the SEC and we aren't doing a good job in the portal. I'm not confident we can regularly out-coach the teams that put together better rosters.

The defense is wildly inconsistent from year to year. In year 5, you shouldn't have a defense this bad.

We seem to be overly patient with underperforming coaches.

The offense...where to begin...we pad our numbers against ETSU and UK and then score 20 on Bama, 3 points in the second half on Vandy, etc. Play calling is bizarre and we float back and forth from going fast to going slow. When things start to click, we seem to slow things down.

We seem to need to rely on the portal for O linemen instead of developing them.

To me, it's alarming that Joey regressed as the season went on. I would have expected the exact opposite as he spent more time with the offense staff.

We seem to have some weapons on the team (like Star Thomas) that we have difficulty utilizing.

WR seem to have issues with drops, the defense can't tackle....sometimes we seem more scheme focused and forget fundamentals. Spend time catching tennis balls from the jugs machine, teaching kids how to wrap up with tackling dummies.... Fundamentals are extremely important to high level coaches.

Elite staffs seem to go in at halftime and make solid adjustments, we seem to be scratching our ass taking a bunch of edibles.

Lastly, it seems like Josh has....changed somehow. I'm not sure if it's body language, a lack of intensity...I can't put my finger on it. He's never been a screamer, but I've seen him get on the refs big time the past, show some excitement from time to time, etc. He just doesn't seem like the guy we hired. I'm not sure if he has a health issue, he's scared for his job, early stages of burn out, or just my imagination. Maybe this is all in my head, but he just seems to have lost his edge.
 
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There is no excuse to lose by that much at home. What's the excuse for Vandy having a better D than us? More money, better talent, or obviously coaching.
 
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All good points so far in this post.
We're all so very disappointed in what happened yesterday, I know I am. It was total humiliation and embarrassment at the hands of VANDY.
We need to have a defense change immediately to someone who can get boys to tackle and defend.
Go Vols anyway. We do need to correct it all before next year so we can get back to national wins. I'm afraid next year's schedule isn't going to be friendly at all.
Go Big Orange.
 
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All good points. However, we don't seem to be developing the players at the skill positions.

Everyone praises our qb signings as the sign of future greatness. We couldn't develop Nico,
we haven't developed Merk where he could step in, Mac is still a ?.

It seems our better players are coming from the portal (with the exception of RB). We can't keep using
the excuse of McCoy and Gibson being the reason a qb runs for 100+ and the middle of our defense
always giving up chunks of yardage.

Our record also suffers due to lack of discipline and lack of half-time adjustments. Been this way for several years,
 
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Fulmer took over Tennessee when other programs in the SEC/nation were in the gutter or on probation. Using his stats and not acknowledging how easy he had it is misleading.

Neyland was 70 years ago.
 
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Last three years of recruiting classes Tennessee ranked 11th, 14th, and 10th, Vandy 79, 40, 53. Either those recruiting rankings are BS or were getting severely outcoached by a lot of programs. What Vandy is doing looks amazing and it looks to me like we need a lot of changes starting next season with several position coaches. Main two DC and OC both need huge upgrades cause the current ones are not getting enough out of the talent we are supposedly recruiting.
 
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In SEC only…we scored 274 points, lead the league, at this point. We’ve given up 269, only two teams have given up more and, combined, those two schools have won 1 game between them in SEC play.

This year we are 0-4 vs. Top 25 teams.

Stats aren’t everything but they aren’t nothing. Style of play is a factor too. I don’t have the answer, but going fast on offense doesn’t matter if ya can’t get off the field on defense.

Two cents.

GBO!!!
We let the play clock run down more than people think. My problem with yesterday's plan was that we should have ran the ball much more in the second half. Bishop had 92 yards in the first half and we just abandoned the run in the second half
 
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In SEC only…we scored 274 points, lead the league, at this point. We’ve given up 269, only two teams have given up more and, combined, those two schools have won 1 game between them in SEC play.

This year we are 0-4 vs. Top 25 teams.

Stats aren’t everything but they aren’t nothing. Style of play is a factor too. I don’t have the answer, but going fast on offense doesn’t matter if ya can’t get off the field on defense.

Two cents.

GBO!!!

The funniest part of this season is in 2 losses (Bama/Oklahoma), our defense was the strong point and the offense sh!t the bed.
 
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There is nothing any of us can do or say that will have one ounce of influence over Heupel's job status. Fan forums/call-in shows are merely an outlet for reactions and ruminations. A coach's job status is determined based on their own choice, personal conduct or win/loss record. We spend a lot of time arguing and blaming one another over something we have no control over.
 
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There is no excuse to lose by that much at home. What's the excuse for Vandy having a better D than us? More money, better talent, or obviously coaching.
This team gave up (gassed) midway third qtr. little effort on defense which gave their QB the ability to run wild.
I’m 65 years old and been going to Neyland since 1970. In the past 20 years I’ve noticed the me me me generation doesn’t give effort if it doesn’t effect them personally.
Cafego is turning over in his grave the way we lost to Vandy. Embarrassed and ashamed of the 2nd half effort my Vols gave last night.
 
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Finally some good logical posts to discuss. IMO staff changes on D has to be an off season priority starting with Banks. Heuple needs to stop calling game plays and get someone he is comfortable with to do so and maybe his ingame management will get better.

The program is not in the toilet like many on here want to make you believe, it just needs adjustments.
 
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I know some will question "real analysis", but this will be better than all the drunk armchair wannabe coaches that have never coached a day in their lives.
Josh Heupel has won 70% of his games at Tennessee (that is 75% when you through out his first year). This stat alone is amazing, especially when you realize the program he inherited. The only Tennessee coaches that had similar coaching records were General Neyland and Philip Fulmer (the only two coaches to win national titles at Tennessee). Even good ole Johnny Majors only had a 65% winning record. Oh, and the prior four coaches had between 45% and 55%, just in case some of you have forgotten.
This year's Tennessee team was the first team since Fulmer to have over 50% of the roster be blue-chip athletes (this is considered a must to win a national championship, since no team has won a national championship in the modern era with less than 51%). Heupel's next class will move this closer to 60%. For comparison, the top four programs (Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas) have over 80%. So, other than a rare year, you really need closer to 80% to compete for a national title. Again, Heupel inherited 38% and has us closing in on 60%.
Doing a fair analysis of a coach isn't about one game, one loss, or one season; it is about his overall performance while head coaching. I think a fair analysis of Heupel's shortcomings would reveal lack of effective halftime adjustments (Heupel creates incredible pre-game game plans; however, other really good coaches make necessary adjustments and we lose in the second half sometimes due to this to the great teams). Additionally, it appears that time management, especially at the end of a half or the game has become an issue. However, both of these are manageable. Either Heupel can get some professional development in these areas or have an assistant coach who is good at them take these responsibilities.
While I honestly don't recognize Volnation anymore (which is why I come in here less and less), Tennessee is a good program who is close to making the leap into the upper echelon of teams again (those who three out of four years are in the playoffs). This list of teams is less than ten! So, while it has been a tough season, just think about what Heupel and company did it with. They took a former juco-App State QB and plugged him into the system with just fall practice to learn everything and now he is good enough to at least get a look as a free agent in the NFL. No other coach or team is coaching players up at this level.
So, whine all you want. Make all your negavol posts, but Heupel hopefully will be here for another ten years with AD Danny White. If so, it will give us our best chance at another special season ending with a National Championship!
Nobody wants Heupel gone, people want changes internally so Heupel doesn’t show his own self the door.
 
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There is no excuse to lose by that much at home. What's the excuse for Vandy having a better D than us? More money, better talent, or obviously coaching.
It would be interesting to know what their NIL budget is. They certainly have a lot of well heeled alums who could pump millions into athletics if they wanted. I don’t know if they have a Mark Cuban but they might
 
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I know some will question "real analysis", but this will be better than all the drunk armchair wannabe coaches that have never coached a day in their lives.
Josh Heupel has won 70% of his games at Tennessee (that is 75% when you through out his first year). This stat alone is amazing, especially when you realize the program he inherited. The only Tennessee coaches that had similar coaching records were General Neyland and Philip Fulmer (the only two coaches to win national titles at Tennessee). Even good ole Johnny Majors only had a 65% winning record. Oh, and the prior four coaches had between 45% and 55%, just in case some of you have forgotten.
This year's Tennessee team was the first team since Fulmer to have over 50% of the roster be blue-chip athletes (this is considered a must to win a national championship, since no team has won a national championship in the modern era with less than 51%). Heupel's next class will move this closer to 60%. For comparison, the top four programs (Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas) have over 80%. So, other than a rare year, you really need closer to 80% to compete for a national title. Again, Heupel inherited 38% and has us closing in on 60%.
Doing a fair analysis of a coach isn't about one game, one loss, or one season; it is about his overall performance while head coaching. I think a fair analysis of Heupel's shortcomings would reveal lack of effective halftime adjustments (Heupel creates incredible pre-game game plans; however, other really good coaches make necessary adjustments and we lose in the second half sometimes due to this to the great teams). Additionally, it appears that time management, especially at the end of a half or the game has become an issue. However, both of these are manageable. Either Heupel can get some professional development in these areas or have an assistant coach who is good at them take these responsibilities.
While I honestly don't recognize Volnation anymore (which is why I come in here less and less), Tennessee is a good program who is close to making the leap into the upper echelon of teams again (those who three out of four years are in the playoffs). This list of teams is less than ten! So, while it has been a tough season, just think about what Heupel and company did it with. They took a former juco-App State QB and plugged him into the system with just fall practice to learn everything and now he is good enough to at least get a look as a free agent in the NFL. No other coach or team is coaching players up at this level.
So, whine all you want. Make all your negavol posts, but Heupel hopefully will be here for another ten years with AD Danny White. If so, it will give us our best chance at another special season ending with a National Championship!
The blue chip % matters very little nowadays. What was Vandy’s %? They committed to bringing in mid major upperclassmen who were starting elsewhere. We bring in young guys who redshirt and transfer out without doing anything except run scout team.

Need a coherent plan to manage this roster across several positions, including QB. We cannot go into next year with green QBs.
 
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I know some will question "real analysis", but this will be better than all the drunk armchair wannabe coaches that have never coached a day in their lives.
Josh Heupel has won 70% of his games at Tennessee (that is 75% when you through out his first year). This stat alone is amazing, especially when you realize the program he inherited. The only Tennessee coaches that had similar coaching records were General Neyland and Philip Fulmer (the only two coaches to win national titles at Tennessee). Even good ole Johnny Majors only had a 65% winning record. Oh, and the prior four coaches had between 45% and 55%, just in case some of you have forgotten.
This year's Tennessee team was the first team since Fulmer to have over 50% of the roster be blue-chip athletes (this is considered a must to win a national championship, since no team has won a national championship in the modern era with less than 51%). Heupel's next class will move this closer to 60%. For comparison, the top four programs (Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas) have over 80%. So, other than a rare year, you really need closer to 80% to compete for a national title. Again, Heupel inherited 38% and has us closing in on 60%.
Doing a fair analysis of a coach isn't about one game, one loss, or one season; it is about his overall performance while head coaching. I think a fair analysis of Heupel's shortcomings would reveal lack of effective halftime adjustments (Heupel creates incredible pre-game game plans; however, other really good coaches make necessary adjustments and we lose in the second half sometimes due to this to the great teams). Additionally, it appears that time management, especially at the end of a half or the game has become an issue. However, both of these are manageable. Either Heupel can get some professional development in these areas or have an assistant coach who is good at them take these responsibilities.
While I honestly don't recognize Volnation anymore (which is why I come in here less and less), Tennessee is a good program who is close to making the leap into the upper echelon of teams again (those who three out of four years are in the playoffs). This list of teams is less than ten! So, while it has been a tough season, just think about what Heupel and company did it with. They took a former juco-App State QB and plugged him into the system with just fall practice to learn everything and now he is good enough to at least get a look as a free agent in the NFL. No other coach or team is coaching players up at this level.
So, whine all you want. Make all your negavol posts, but Heupel hopefully will be here for another ten years with AD Danny White. If so, it will give us our best chance at another special season ending with a National Championship!
What you say about "in game" adjustments. This is total own his staff, HE can't make the changes that is their jobs he just decides yes or no to their plans. (at least this is what I hope, if not HE is the bottle neck holding back success) All of the programs you named mad staff changes as needed. We should also.
 
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I don't think most reasonable fans want JH fired, but if changes on the staff aren't made this off-season that will be alarming.

No doubt, JH took a bad program and put a solid foundation under it. The concern, I think is how we are trending at the half decade mark.

Josh's best season so far has been with players he inherited and a with a QB he had on the bench at the start of his tenure.
Concerns that are valid IMO-

We are consistently recruiting behind the top teams in the SEC and we aren't doing a good job in the portal. I'm not confident we can regularly out-coach the teams that put together better rosters.

The defense is wildly inconsistent from year to year. In year 5, you shouldn't have a defense this bad.

We seem to be overly patient with underperforming coaches.

The offense...where to begin...we pad our numbers against ETSU and UK and then score 20 on Bama, 3 points in the second half on Vandy, etc. Play calling is bizarre and we float back and forth from going fast to going slow. When things start to click, we seem to slow things down.

We seem to need to rely on the portal for O linemen instead of developing them.

To me, it's alarming that Joey regressed as the season went on. I would have expected the exact opposite as he spent more time with the offense staff.

We seem to have some weapons on the team (like Star Thomas) that we have difficulty utilizing.

WR seem to have issues with drops, the defense can't tackle....sometimes we seem more scheme focused and forget fundamentals. Spend time catching tennis balls from the jugs machine, teaching kids how to wrap up with tackling dummies.... Fundamentals are extremely important to high level coaches.

Elite staffs seem to go in at halftime and make solid adjustments, we seem to be scratching our ass taking a bunch of edibles.

Lastly, it seems like Josh has....changed somehow. I'm not sure if it's body language, a lack of intensity...I can't put my finger on it. He's never been a screamer, but I've seen him get on the refs big time the past, show some excitement from time to time, etc. He just doesn't seem like the guy we hired. I'm not sure if he has a health issue, he's scared for his job, early stages of burn out, or just my imagination. Maybe this is all in my head, but he just seems to have lost his edge.
This ^^^^^. Couldn’t have it any better.
 
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