Randy Sanders

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I really hope the Vols get a new O.C. soon. I have nevet liked Randy Sanders. I believe that the Vols should get an O.C. who would open up the offense and spred the defense out.

:furious3: Randy Sanders :furious3: :banghead: :bad:
 
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Won't happen, Sanders is there because Fulmer can keep him on a tight leash and couldn't with another OC.
 
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You people have CRUCIFIED me for saying this throughout the year. Why now the change of heart? Did you hear the commentators speak of the simplicity of the Colts offense today. The fact that it is complicated,as our coaches so like to brag on, does not make it impressive or effective. To quote Phil Simms " when the defense tries to stop the run, pass. When they try to stop the pass, run." Randy Sanders cannot figure this out. Wake up VolNation, our inconsistency lies on the neck of RS!!! Peyton is great BUT, so is his system. :clap:
 
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our inconsistency lies on the neck of RS!!
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Total BS. As a starter, RS has never ever coached offense outside the Fulmer system. The offense we have begins and ends with Fulmer's philosophy of football....get enough points to win, then let the D take over. His philosophy is grounded in the Neyland/Bryant philosophy of letting the other team make mistakes, that is why we are so conservative on the O side of the line. Guess what? Fulmer has been successful with his philosophy. Winningest active coach...right? Whey the hell should he change his philosophy? So you guys can feel better about the stats? Only stat that matters to Phil is W and L. QF that is the bottom line....W/L. Hell yeah, I'd love to beat the shiite out of every one we play. I'd have some bleeding hair left on my head if we threw blow outs every week. I'd love to see 500+ yards of O every week and shut outs by our D. This AIN"T gonna happen. As long as Phil continues to win you guys need to consider letting reality set in. He is going NOWHERE, nor is RS.
 
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UT has one of the most complicated offenses in College Football and also one of the biggest playbooks. Now while I have never thought Sanders should have been given the OC job is plainly obvious that Fulmer wanted someone he could control, but the inconsistency is more than just Sanders and it starts with the HC and the inability to enforce fundamentals.
 
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If you play close games like Fulmer does, you have to have fundamentals for consistency. Lacking consistency in a close game can hand you the loss. That's exactly what happened when we played ND.

Make sure that your guys do what they do best, then execute your plan as you see fit.
 
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I have given up on this Randy Sanders bit! I think that he will be around as long as Fulmer is around and I don't want to see Fulmer go anywhere! I am not the biggest Sanders fan in the world, but I think that he has done a little better this year. Maybe we would all like him if the offense executed the plays a little better, who knows........
 
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Maybe we would all like him if the offense executed the plays a little better, who knows........
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I'm getting kinda tired of taking up for Sanders, but per you quotation above, I would like to remind you that our lack of offensive execution is due to the inexperience we have at QB this season.

The QBs go to the line of scrimmage looking for 2 plays to be called in from the sideline. The OL gets in a 3 pt stance and holds it for 15+ seconds....every play. The Ds have learned to disguise and have cuase us to use play A where we shoulda used play B. Our OL has HAD to play from a defensive posture all season long as they are usually attacked by a D line that is listening to the play clock countdown.

So, to keep it simple, we have inexperienced QBs that are unable to read Ds and do proper check offs, and we have an OL that is decimated by injuries due to the inexperienced QBs. General Neyland himself would not be able to get his teams to execute better than we have given the circumstances.
 
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When a defense puts 8-9-10 men in the box YOU CANNOT RUN! RS does not know how to bust up this defensive scheme. Must I post Phil Simms quote again and again and again? "If the defense sets up to stop the run, you must pass. If the defense sets up to stop pass, you must run." Peyton is great but, so is his system. And it's the simplest system in the NFL.
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Nov 26, 2004 2:53 PM
When a defense puts 8-9-10 men in the box YOU CANNOT RUN! RS does not know how to bust up this defensive scheme. Must I post Phil Simms quote again and again and again? "If the defense sets up to stop the run, you must pass. If the defense sets up to stop pass, you must run." Peyton is great but, so is his system. And it's the simplest in the NFL.
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Who is Phil Simms coaching for again? :wassup:
 
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That response is why we are not a perennial top 10 program any more. And probably why his kid told Fulmer he was going to Texas. :shakehead:
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Nov 26, 2004 3:05 PM
That response is why we are not a perennial top 10 program any more. And probably why his kid told Fulmer he was going to Texas. :shakehead:
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Chrissy and Texas were made for each other. Talk about a program that underachieves year after year.
 
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donsargegolf
You need to put your prejiduce aside. The reason that Simms went to Texas had nothing to do with Fulmer or UT! Phil wanted his son at Tennessee so what did Mac Brown do he did an end run around UT, Fulmer and Phil Simms and got to Mama and the rest they say is history. A 2nd rate QB for an underachieving team.
As for your using the Simms quote what Sanders does is predicated on what Fulmer wants and what Fulmer wants is what he learned at the knee of Johnny Majors so if you want to point fingers start with Majors.
 
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Phil is almost 60 years old now and must be accountable for things happening within his own program. I happen to agree with what you have said about RS and it is sad more Vol fans don't see the truth. What PS said about the Colt offense needs to be applied to our program. That is simplicity and correct identification as to how to attack defensive formations.( and I don't miss chrissy in k-town )
 
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TNVOL1 Your posts have been too intelligent to accept that! When a person stops learning he gets passed. Has that happened to Phil? If so do you just accept that?
 
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That is one sickening thought. :puke: I won't be looking for us to meet USC, Oklahoma, and a many other fundamentally sound coached teams in championship circles. Oh well, all Mike Hamilton wants is to improve our facilities not our product on the field. Funny how our AD never played a sport or on a team. Quite different than Bob Woodruff and Doug Dickey.
 
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Not to start anything, but I would love to see how another QB would do in Moore's offense in Indy. I don't think anyone could run it like Peyton. Give Ainge and Schaeffer a year to get more comfortable in the offense, and hopefully we'll see results.
 
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I have a good feeling it will be Ainge again next year. Arizona State is a school that could possibly pull him away if his future at UT doesn't look too promising.
 
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Woodruff??? let's not go there! He was the man that hired Battle and Dickey should have never been UT's AD look what he did to the Basketball program.

Don the difference is Cutcliffe is gone and Fulmer has more control over the offense and he learn at Majors knee and that is all he knows the difference is he doesn't have the control over the team to enforce fundamentals.
 
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To put it all in perspective, don't forget that we are/have:
SEC East Champions
Beat Florida, Georgia, Alabama in the same year
Developed not just one, but two freshman QB's into SEC caliber players
Started the umpteenth OL combination due to injuries
Have overcome tough year of injuries to entire team

And we're STILL SEC East Champions - with one of the youngest, most talented teams in the league and one not predicted by a single 'expert' to win their division.

We must be doing something fundamentally right - at least more so than at the above mentioned schools.

Improved facilities help in recruiting, player development and academic achievement.

I'm glad we were spared having Chris Simms as our QB for 4 years - I'll take Casey any day - I don't see Simms leading us to a victory in the Swamp.

Guys - we win. And win, and win, and win.... The grass always looks greener on the other side, but we're awfully lucky to have a team like we do to support and cheer for. We're a two loss team, and the next couple of years look even better!
 
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To put it all in perspective, don't forget that we are/have:
SEC East Champions
Beat Florida, Georgia, Alabama in the same year
Developed not just one, but two freshman QB's into SEC caliber players
Started the umpteenth OL combination due to injuries
Have overcome tough year of injuries to entire team

And we're STILL SEC East Champions - with one of the youngest, most talented teams in the league and one not predicted by a single 'expert' to win their division.
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Yeah I guess the sarge clevery leaves those points out of his discussion. Hell when the O comes to the LOS this year with the young'uns at QB, we never know whether or not the D will have 5 in the box or 11 in the box. Good DCs, beginning with AU, have materfully disguised the defensive look, shifting into a different scheme right before the snap. Everyone wanted the young guys to play and this is part of the the price we pay.
 
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