Raider side of the Kiffin firing in Oakland

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Not being a Raider fan, I had been semi-oblivious to what had gone on. After watching the OTL report on CLK, and seeing the comments made by the Raider organization, I felt compelled to ask the Raider fan base to explain why they feel that way. Here's a link to what they have to say for anyone who is interested:

Please explain these comments by the orginization - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!

Some interesting things, but also some straight hatred. I watched that whole press conference. Strange to say the least.
 
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basically they are saying that he is immature. at 32 years old, im sure any of us wouldve made immature mistakes at that high a level of a career. see how they dont really throw him under the bus, they know he wouldve been a good HC there if given more time
 
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Those comments are just good ole fashioned Raider for you. I wonder if the VolNation would discount Mike Hamilton calling down to the sideline during a game and telling Lane to chunk it deep? The Raider faithful have displaced their hatred of a total disfunctional organization. They blame Lane. I bet Lane don't give a damn.
 
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This sucks, the Raiders were my team. Schroeder to Gault all day long on Tecmo Bowl, I remember a 51-3 loss to Buffalo in the AFC championship, Hostetler (sp) screwing up again and again. Getting screwed over by the Tuck Rule when they were rollin, I used to feel bad for the Raider Nation when Tomlinson ran all over them,. Now I think it might make me happy to see Sproles & Tomlinson rush for 3 TDs a piece each time they play....and I loathe the current San Diego Chargers team.
 
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Dude I am a Raider fan and I dont know what those guys are saying on the board but Kiffin had zero control of the D. That is what the war with Al was about mainly. Rob Ryan would lick Al's butt and Al would not let Lane do anything with the D. Rob was basically HC-defense. And they were worse before Lane got there they were awful. He gave Raider fans hope most I talk to agree. It seemed he was willing to fight Al and try to get the job done. Al in the end had his say it is his team and put Lane in a position where he had to find a way to get fired. Some may think the antics such as the field goal try are unethical. I think they are comedy and when your team makes you wanna cry thanks for the laughter is all I can say.
 
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There was always something about the grown men dressing up and generally acting like a bunch of hooligans that made me think the whole organization was a joke. Which it is.
 
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Al Davis needs to retire. He hired Lane Kiffin because he wanted a coach that he could control. He gave Kiffin no say in coaching hires (James Lofton for example) defensive strategy (Al loved Ryan) and even personnel moves. Kiffin did not want to draft Jamarcus Russell but Al made the decision. Kiffin knew the guy was lazy and would take several years to develop. Kiffin had a win now philosophy. I am sure Lane played a part in the turmoil surrounding the Raiders but their biggest problem was an old, senile man. The Raiders now have the perfect coach in Tom Cable. He is willing to let Al Davis coach the team from his luxury suite.
 
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Volsfan4243 said:
Al Davis needs to retire. He hired Lane Kiffin because he wanted a coach that he could control. He gave Kiffin no say in coaching hires (James Lofton for example) defensive strategy (Al loved Ryan) and even personnel moves. Kiffin did not want to draft Jamarcus Russell but Al made the decision. Kiffin knew the guy was lazy and would take several years to develop. Kiffin had a win now philosophy. I am sure Lane played a part in the turmoil surrounding the Raiders but their biggest problem was an old, senile man. The Raiders now have the perfect coach in Tom Cable. He is willing to let Al Davis coach the team from his luxury suite.
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i agree with you.

those raider fans seem more delusional than georgia fans. before UT hired kiffin, it was my opinion that al davis was in the wrong in the situation, and i still believe that.

essentially, raider fans hate kiffin because 1) he had them wear white at home (tradition to wear black), 2) he kicked a 76 yard field goal with janikowski for some reason, 3) he ran the tampa 2 in a loss to buffalo.

are those mistakes, probably, do they mean kiffin is the worst coach ever, no.

the raiders organization will continue to suck until al davis is gone, and hopefully for the raiders, al davis has no children to continue running that organization into the ground.
 
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I didn't realize there were ANY franchises that strictly ran man to man EVERY single play for 40 years.... :crazy:

I guess that could be one reason they suck. Pretty easy to come up with an offensive scheme. :matrix:
 
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I read the entire thread and it was very interesting. It is always good to hear two sides of the story. Sounds like Lane and Al Dabis got into a pee pee contest and Lane was unhappy there. I didn't realize this nut it really does sound like Lane was trying to get fired from the contract he was in. I also did not realize that he was interested in the Arkansas job. All in all I think Lane us better suited to the college game.

Sounds like the players also responded well to Lane in the pros. We shall see. If Lane strings the Ws together then Al and the Raiders will be rating crow.
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Well we all know that the Raiders are on the verge of the Super Bowl now that Lane is gone. They were so talented the year before Lane arrived, terrible when he was there, and are now back on top now that he is gone. Gimme a break. Oakland sucks, and there is only 1 common denominator in all of it, and his name aint Kiffin...
 
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1 second left 'til halftime. I wonder how many people would have loved the decision if Janikowski nails it.

BTW, the guy caught it on the 2, so it went 64 into the wind (although the wind was almost nil, regardless of what people say...)
 
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It was an awful situation.

Shadyness on both sides of the ball.

Anyone who says Kiffin wasn't intentionally trying to get fired is delusional. Put yourself in CLK's shoes. If you quit, you lose millions. If you get fired, you get to keep millions. Why wouldn't you try and get fired, if you know the current situation isn't going to work out.

And anyone who says Al Davis wasn't intentionally trying to get CLK to quit is delusional. He had millions riding on CLK quitting opposed to being fired.

I think CLK is more in the wrong on this situation though. Because not only did CLK's actions piss off AD but the fans, the players, his decisions and actions effected directly losing games.

The one thing everyone can agree on here is that CLK is going to be a good coach. He will also be a better college coach than NFL coach. His heart and talent is in recruiting, not X's and O's. Which he may be good at, but he and his staff are astounding at recruiting. In college you can have the possibility of having 10 first round draft picks on the field, or the roster. In the pro's that is impossible. CLK loves that part of college, and he thrives off recruiting.

Everything that went down was dirty, shady, despicable. Is Oakland in a better position today? Most likely, yes. Is UT in a better position today than a year ago? Most likely, yes. Will UT be in a better position 2-3 years down the road than last year? Definitely.

Everyone came out better because of this situation, albeit a very uncomfortable situation.
 
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I was watching that game. It was just before half. To say that Janikowski doesn't have the leg for it is what is:no::no:. He just didn't catch it clean.
 
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Vols N Shocks said:
It was an awful situation.

Shadyness on both sides of the ball.

Anyone who says Kiffin wasn't intentionally trying to get fired is delusional. Put yourself in CLK's shoes. If you quit, you lose millions. If you get fired, you get to keep millions. Why wouldn't you try and get fired, if you know the current situation isn't going to work out.

And anyone who says Al Davis wasn't intentionally trying to get CLK to quit is delusional. He had millions riding on CLK quitting opposed to being fired.

I think CLK is more in the wrong on this situation though. Because not only did CLK's actions piss off AD but the fans, the players, his decisions and actions effected directly losing games.

The one thing everyone can agree on here is that CLK is going to be a good coach. He will also be a better college coach than NFL coach. His heart and talent is in recruiting, not X's and O's. Which he may be good at, but he and his staff are astounding at recruiting. In college you can have the possibility of having 10 first round draft picks on the field, or the roster. In the pro's that is impossible. CLK loves that part of college, and he thrives off recruiting.

Everything that went down was dirty, shady, despicable. Is Oakland in a better position today? Most likely, yes. Is UT in a better position today than a year ago? Most likely, yes. Will UT be in a better position 2-3 years down the road than last year? Definitely.

Everyone came out better because of this situation, albeit a very uncomfortable situation.
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Mostly agree with this post. Although with Al's track record, its pretty obvious why Lane would do the stuff he did.
 
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i like how they talk as if the raiders were good and he screwed them over. i hope they enjoy their continued years of disappointment and failure under cable
 
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