Quitting is inexcusable

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As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT. We saw it against Oregon. We saw it last year against Arkansas and Kentucky (although the Vols technically didn't quit during the KY game - they never wanted to play in the first place).

And last night, before 100K home fans; before a national TV audience; in the most important game in recent years at Tennessee, we saw the Vols quit again. Bray the QB quit playing; so did many others. Players don't quit playing their best because they lack talent; nor do they quit because of inexperience.

They quit because the HC and his staff lets them quit. Quitting is in the mentality of the team and its coaches. Napoleon once said to the effect, "I don't need to know the general opposing me in battle. When I see his army, then I know the general."

So when we see a Vol team that quits in the second half or when the game turns against them, then we know the coach. The sunshine-pumpers have a list of excuses for Dooley's failures as long as my arm: the boys are inexperienced; we lack talent at position X. But what excuse can one make for a coach whose team quits on him time and again?

Florida isn't the last good team UT will face this season, or even the best. No one knows what will be the score when UT plays UGA, Bama, USC, MSU, or Mizzou. But based on recent history, if UT falls behind in any of those games in the 2nd half, the Vols will almost certainly give up. They will quit playing for Derek Dooley.

The team is, in essence, delivering the most damning indictment of all against its coaches and especially Derek Dooley. We fans always whine and complain. But when the players themselves quit playing; when they give up before the game is over, then everyone (including AD Dave Hart), knows all they need to know about the leadership of Derek Dooley.
 
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I didn't see players quitting, I saw a team that got exhausted and team that still doesn't have quality depth.
 
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They quit on both sides of the ball. The offense was not gassed. The last three possessions were UGLY three and outs.

Florida scored on big runs in the second half. Not long drives.

Would like to see the time of possession numbers for the "gassed" argument though.
 
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I didn't see a team quit. I saw a team get frustrated because they were in the game one minute and out of it within a few more
minutes due to big plays. Our O-line got whipped and Bray was hurried the 2nd half. I saw frustration not quit.
 
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If you are referring to the D side, I agree totally.

I've been hard on Bray this off-season, but I don't think he quit. He got frustrated, and his frustration was very apparent in his body language in the huddle and on the side line. It was very obviously it helped spread some doubt throughout the team. He has a long, long way to go before being an effective leader. This team hits the panic button way too soon.
 
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As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT. We saw it against Oregon. We saw it last year against Arkansas and Kentucky (although the Vols technically didn't quit during the KY game - they never wanted to play in the first place).

And last night, before 100K home fans; before a national TV audience; in the most important game in recent years at Tennessee, we saw the Vols quit again. Bray the QB quit playing; so did many others. Players don't quit playing their best because they lack talent; nor do they quit because of inexperience.

They quit because the HC and his staff lets them quit. Quitting is in the mentality of the team and its coaches. Napoleon once said to the effect, "I don't need to know the general opposing me in battle. When I see his army, then I know the general."

So when we see a Vol team that quits in the second half or when the game turns against them, then we know the coach. The sunshine-pumpers have a list of excuses for Dooley's failures as long as my arm: the boys are inexperienced; we lack talent at position X. But what excuse can one make for a coach whose team quits on him time and again?

Florida isn't the last good team UT will face this season, or even the best. No one knows what will be the score when UT plays UGA, Bama, USC, MSU, or Mizzou. But based on recent history, if UT falls behind in any of those games in the 2nd half, the Vols will almost certainly give up. They will quit playing for Derek Dooley.

The team is, in essence, delivering the most damning indictment of all against its coaches and especially Derek Dooley. We fans always whine and complain. But when the players themselves quit playing; when they give up before the game is over, then everyone (including AD Dave Hart), knows all they need to know about the leadership of Derek Dooley.

Good post...most critical element is that Dooley is not a leader...something I've said from the very beginninng
 
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I've been hard on Bray this off-season, but I don't think he quit. He got frustrated, and his frustration was very apparent in his body language in the huddle and on the side line. It was very obviously it helped spread some doubt throughout the team. He has a long, long way to go before being an effective leader. This team hits the panic button way too soon.


After the 3 and out's Bray would go to bench and sulk.

No sign of a leader. I was all about "Tyler" not about the team.
 
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Similiar to the Obama situation. No leadership and no fear so the world is burning our embassy's right everywhere because they see us weak!!!

Back to football, other teams know if they keep plugging alone and staying in the game then the players will quit because no leadership from the HC!
 
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that bs, they quit u could see it in bray face he gave up...i dont blame the D one bit they couldn't catch air fast enough...yes they couldnt get to outside for nothing!! i blame bray for this to be honest and i blame our coaches for letting them quit!!
 
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They need to watch a game with Army getting beat by 40 -- they still work their butts off to the end.

Lots of "me" on this team.

Bray flat gave up.
 
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that bs, they quit u could see it in bray face he gave up...i dont blame the D one bit they couldn't catch air fast enough...yes they couldnt get to outside for nothing!! i blame bray for this to be honest and i blame our coaches for letting them quit!!

Is it possible that Florida was just the better team and had a lot to with Bray and the offense being ineffective in the second half?
 
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They quit on both sides of the ball. The offense was not gassed. The last three possessions were UGLY three and outs.

Florida scored on big runs in the second half. Not long drives.

Would like to see the time of possession numbers for the "gassed" argument though.



Have you ever played wr in the SEC, virtually the whole game like #11 did, and run pass play after pass play late in the game?

You have no idea wtf you are talking about. Hunter was as gassed as a wr can be. CP as well
 
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As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT. We saw it against Oregon. We saw it last year against Arkansas and Kentucky (although the Vols technically didn't quit during the KY game - they never wanted to play in the first place).

And last night, before 100K home fans; before a national TV audience; in the most important game in recent years at Tennessee, we saw the Vols quit again. Bray the QB quit playing; so did many others. Players don't quit playing their best because they lack talent; nor do they quit because of inexperience.

They quit because the HC and his staff lets them quit. Quitting is in the mentality of the team and its coaches. Napoleon once said to the effect, "I don't need to know the general opposing me in battle. When I see his army, then I know the general."

So when we see a Vol team that quits in the second half or when the game turns against them, then we know the coach. The sunshine-pumpers have a list of excuses for Dooley's failures as long as my arm: the boys are inexperienced; we lack talent at position X. But what excuse can one make for a coach whose team quits on him time and again?

Florida isn't the last good team UT will face this season, or even the best. No one knows what will be the score when UT plays UGA, Bama, USC, MSU, or Mizzou. But based on recent history, if UT falls behind in any of those games in the 2nd half, the Vols will almost certainly give up. They will quit playing for Derek Dooley.

The team is, in essence, delivering the most damning indictment of all against its coaches and especially Derek Dooley. We fans always whine and complain. But when the players themselves quit playing; when they give up before the game is over, then everyone (including AD Dave Hart), knows all they need to know about the leadership of Derek Dooley.

Post of the year and it says a lot about the willingness of the fan base to accept mediocrity with the posts that follow you.
 
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I didn't see players quitting, I saw a team that got exhausted and team that still doesn't have quality depth.

Bray and the offense quit. Not sure the defense didnt quit either. It wasnt like they were giving up long, time consuming drives. Florida scored fast and often on them the 2nd half. Even Dooley showed his ass by spiking the ball on the sideline and having a temper tantrum.
 
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Have you ever played wr in the SEC, virtually the whole game like #11 did, and run pass play after pass play late in the game?

You have no idea wtf you are talking about. Hunter was as gassed as a wr can be. CP as well

Wow. Thought provoking. (not really)

I know enough to know that any person who watched that span of 10 minutes can not say they didnt quit.

Florida players (not the first time in recent history) are already saying they sensed it and fed off it.

Look outside your basement for a second.

Louisiana Monroe wasn't winded against Arkansas or Auburn

Stanford wasn't winded against USC

Look at our performance on a nationally level. Every team gets winded and tired. It's how you recover and play in that position.

0-17 against ranked teams. 17 times they were tired?
 
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Wow. Thought provoking. (not really)

I know enough to know that any person who watched that span of 10 minutes can not say they didnt quit.

Florida players (not the first time in recent history) are already saying they sensed it and fed off it.

Look outside your basement for a second.

Louisiana Monroe wasn't winded against Arkansas or Auburn

Stanford wasn't winded against USC

Look at our performance on a nationally level. Every team gets winded and tired. It's how you recover and play in that position.

0-17 against ranked teams. 17 times they were tired?


I don't care about that other crap. We are discussing the game last night and you said they weren't winded. We had the same 3 wrs running routes downfield all night. They were winded in the 4th, and that happens to be when we made mental errors and had drops.

Don't get mad when somebody corrects your bad observation.
 
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Not mad at all buddy. We are just discussing UT football. Although I'll be the first to admit it if someone does.
 
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As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT.

The second most disturbing trend in the Dooley era is that the team is worse at the end of the season than at the beginning. The third most disturbing trend in the Dooley era is that the team is worse at the end of each game than they are at the beginning. Blame injuries, experience, bad luck, etc. all you want, but to me these trends inescapably lead to a single conclusion: the coaching staff is not doing its job.
 
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what gave the players the idea they could quit in this game? i will tell you,
dooley's remark that it was not the end of world if we did not be florida. simple as that. players do not fear dooley or care about him either. the da' rick situcation should prove that
 
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Similiar to the Obama situation. No leadership and no fear so the world is burning our embassy's right everywhere because they see us weak!!!

Back to football, other teams know if they keep plugging alone and staying in the game then the players will quit because no leadership from the HC!

take it to the political forum, doofus.
 
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