Question about taking 36

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Say we do get
OT Sharpe
CB Jackson
OLB Garrett
WR Malone
DT Mosley

I know that a few of these guys are not coming to UT. I'm just saying "IF".

What does this do to next years class? According to a few sites, the possibility is there for us to take that many.
 
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So here is a little different question about oversigning....

What if we sign 33 guys this class and then come summer 3 of them fail to qualify. Are we still penalized next class if we are technically at the 30 mark even though 33 signed LOI's?
 
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gardners_51609 said:
So here is a little different question about oversigning....

What if we sign 33 guys this class and then come summer 3 of them fail to qualify. Are we still penalized next class if we are technically at the 30 mark even though 33 signed LOI's?
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They count whether they enroll or not, but what do you mean by "penalized next class?"

FWIW, I don't believe there's any way we can sign more than 30 and the blueshirt strategy mentioned in other threads is only a remote possibility, IMO. We may add a couple of grayshirts to the 30, but I can't see us going beyond that.
 
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I will say this, I love whats going on with recruiting. It's so nice to see us back in that top 10 or even 5. We may not stay there, but I'm happy right now. Thanks for the answers, With all the back counting, grey shirting. I can never fully understand how things work, all I know is they do.

I feel lucky to have him as the man. I was on the Gruden train or really any big name that would have came. I feel like we got a coach and not just a name. Go Vols!!!!!
 
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kamoshika said:
They count whether they enroll or not, but what do you mean by "penalized next class?"
FWIW, I don't believe there's any way we can sign more than 30 and the blueshirt strategy mentioned in other threads is only a remote possibility, IMO. We may add a couple of grayshirts to the 30, but I can't see us going beyond that.
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For every one we over sign this year it will cost us 3 next year

at least that is my understanding
 
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CBJ has said on more then one occasion that we will sign 30 so obviously we will sign 30 not 36 or some other random number.
 
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well since we found out Dews will grayshirt, those guys would make 35.. but we might get 2 of them. but you forgot Jakob Johnson, the JUCO DTs and 3rd RB
 
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Coastypop said:
NOT that quick :crazy:
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Agree one recruiting class is just a start. There is a vast talent gap between us and the elite SEC schools. It is however a step in the right direction. I think this is the class that will eventually be known for turning the program around. I love this class for their character and belief in the University Of Tennessee.
 
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Well, I was wrong again! I thought that by us having our class numbers filled that National Signing Day would not be exciting. Well, it may be exciting because of the curiousity of how we will get more than 30 in this class....
 
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I did not see an actual answer so I am going to try and answer the OP question.

1. We can technically sign up to 35 without over signing, grey shirting, or anything like that.
2. We will likely only have roster spots for 32 because of the 85 player scholarship limit

So how you say...
1. We had 20 in the 2013 class and 5 of those were EEs. EEs are allowed to count towards the previous years class. This means 2013 we had 15 official players sign. This left 10 scholarships that could be used for the next years EEs. BTW, 10 is the max you can do this for. Fast forward to this year. If we have 10 EEs, they would all be counted towards the 2013 signings. This would leave 25 scholarships for 2014. That would be 35.

2. If you look at the current 2013 roster, we have up to 30 seniors that will be gone and 2 underclassmen (Tiny and AJ) that may go pro. This would be 32 spots before the limit is reached. This number could grow if players transfer (Peterman) or leave for what ever reason.

Hypothetically, say we are able to sign 35 for the 2014 class. Where would that leave us for 2015? Well, the good news would be that we loaded up on talent in 2014. The bad news is that if there is no other attrition except the graduating class, we would only have like 15 spots on the 85 man roster and there would be no EE spots for the previous year because we signed a full class. This would mean we only would have 15 scholarships to offer in 2015.

Keep in mind, the above is using the unlikely assumption that there would be no other natural attrition which we know will happen.

I hope this helps. I spent hours figuring this out and while I may not be 100%, I am about 99% correct IMHO :salute:
 
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utshawn said:
I did not see an actual answer so I am going to try and answer the OP question.

1. We can technically sign up to 35 without over signing, grey shirting, or anything like that.
2. We will likely only have roster spots for 32 because of the 85 player scholarship limit

So how you say...
1. We had 20 in the 2013 class and 5 of those were EEs. EEs are allowed to count towards the previous years class. This means 2013 we had 15 official players sign. This left 10 scholarships that could be used for the next years EEs. BTW, 10 is the max you can do this for. Fast forward to this year. If we have 10 EEs, they would all be counted towards the 2013 signings. This would leave 25 scholarships for 2014. That would be 35.

2. If you look at the current 2013 roster, we have up to 30 seniors that will be gone and 2 underclassmen (Tiny and AJ) that may go pro. This would be 32 spots before the limit is reached. This number could grow if players transfer (Peterman) or leave for what ever reason.

Hypothetically, say we are able to sign 35 for the 2014 class. Where would that leave us for 2015? Well, the good news would be that we loaded up on talent in 2014. The bad news is that if there is no other attrition except the graduating class, we would only have like 15 spots on the 85 man roster and there would be no EE spots for the previous year because we signed a full class. This would mean we only would have 15 scholarships to offer in 2015.

Keep in mind, the above is using the unlikely assumption that there would be no other natural attrition which we know will happen.

I hope this helps. I spent hours figuring this out and while I may not be 100%, I am about 99% correct IMHO :salute:
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It does man....Thanks. I would be cool with that, we would just need to kill it in 15. I see that happening!!!!
 
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I don't believe Butch will over sign. Some commits will decommit or be told to look around. Some gray shirts or walk ons might happen, but the number will be managed.
 
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utshawn said:
I did not see an actual answer so I am going to try and answer the OP question.

1. We can technically sign up to 35 without over signing, grey shirting, or anything like that.
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Per LWSVOL, who is more familiar w/ the intricacies of recruiting numbers than anyone else I know, we can only back count 5 in this class so our hard cap is 30.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
So here is a little different question about oversigning....

What if we sign 33 guys this class and then come summer 3 of them fail to qualify. Are we still penalized next class if we are technically at the 30 mark even though 33 signed LOI's?
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A signed player counts regardless if the qualify or not. That's why taking risk on kids with grade issues is very unlikely with a full class
 
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Funny how people post all these strategies and ways around rules, yet no one oversigns, and they aren't going to.

CBJ said he was taking 30, and Hubbs said they wouldn't risk more trouble with the NCAA by trying to get cute with the rules.

Bringing in 30 freshmen is enough trouble on its own. That's a huge class and a lot of clueless kids to manage as it is.
 
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Coastypop said:
For every one we over sign this year it will cost us 3 next year

at least that is my understanding
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The only place I've seen that mentioned is on this forum. If such a penalty really does exist, I'd like to know where it's written as I've yet to find it.
 
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kamoshika said:
Per LWSVOL, who is more familiar w/ the intricacies of recruiting numbers than anyone else I know, we can only back count 5 in this class so our hard cap is 30.
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If 5 is the limit instead of 10, then you are correct. 30 would be the max. I swear I read 10 in the rulebook but maybe it was a forum post :) I am certainly not going to go re-read the recruiting section of NCAA rulebook, that was painful. I still have a headache.
 
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kamoshika said:
The only place I've seen that mentioned is on this forum. If such a penalty really does exist, I'd like to know where it's written as I've yet to find it.
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I've asked that same question. I've never seen it on an official document either.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
So here is a little different question about oversigning....

What if we sign 33 guys this class and then come summer 3 of them fail to qualify. Are we still penalized next class if we are technically at the 30 mark even though 33 signed LOI's?
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This is why, by NSD, it is a MUST to make sure all signing recruits qualify academically. It is my understanding that this has happened to the Vol before, and at this point, Tennessee can scarcely afford to bring in guys who can't make grades.

This is my prediction on oversigning. No matter how many recruits commit to Tennessee, the Vols will sign 30, and ONLY 30 on NSD. The Vols are gonna need a strong 2015 class to continue to build, and losing two spots to gain 1 extra player now seems foolhardy. I think the overage will come in as preferred walk ons, or "blue shirts". I do not know how many current players have that status, but I can see an unknown number of guys who are not getting playing time (perhaps dependent on how many more commits come on in the near future) may transfer to lower division schools. And if the Vols lose to either Vandy or UK, it will happen before the end of the year. Is it the ugly side of college football? You bet. Is it a practice you want to see being used liberally? Not me. Is it what may be in the best interest of the program, and the potential transfers? Could be. I just hope whatever is going to go down will not bring sanctions. That is something I am not worried about, because I believe Butch Jones knows what he is doing, and I believe Saban has been doing some of this at Alabama. So if he can do it, so can other programs.

What will happen will happen, and I am just sitting back and watching. I just feel there will be some hard decisions coming soon.
 
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