Quesitons on the QB battle.

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allvol21

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I am sick of reading about it, studying on it, and analyzing it just as much as you are . So I am not here to questoin who is the better quarter back... Who should have started last night. In stead, I have a question for you that I cant seem to find the answer. For just a few minutes I want you to put your self in the coaches shoes... BTW I am in no way qualified to wear those.

Hypothetically they are in spring ball in closed door coaches meetings and A) come to the the conclusion that the best thing for that position is to create competetion for as long as they can hing they will cause those players to compete and imorove througout the offeseason and that is acctually a logical apporaach.

You get to fall fall camp and you are trying to sell either the race is neck and neck or that the competition is still healthy for both moving into the season. Fast forward to the first half of the football game and switch mindsets to the players minds. If what the coaches were selling is true and that both quarterbacks have the opportunity to start and the starter doesn't produce regardless the reason. Dropped passes, poor protections, bad play calls. As the quarterback that was told you have a chance to start in week one why does he not get his shot? If he is not good enough then I am upset if I am him as he clearly showed thorough body language or the coaches lied to try to create a competition that was never there. Just don't understand the strategy of this staff right now concerning the qb situation.
 
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I thought this thread was about a 2,000 pound quesadilla.

I am disappoint.
 
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allvol21 said:
Dropped passes, poor protections, bad play calls.
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The problem is that dropped passes, poor protection (which I don't remember seeing that much of to be honest), bad play calls does not = a QB issue.

Interceptions, sacks, fumbles by the QB is a QB issue - those did not happen.
 
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gunner said:
There NEVER was a battle! It was all lip service by Butch and the other coaches.

JG has every reason to be upset. He was lied to and played. But, that's what coaches do.
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So you know what was being said behind the curtain?
 
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And you all do realize that QD has the best first start of any QB at Tennessee. Noodle on that.

Edited to add - That does not imply he will be better than any before him. I am just tired of folks tearing down one player to support another.
 
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Dormady has been running the first team O all camp. It was clear he was the clear cut starter. The players and the coaches knew it. Go look at John Kelly's interview from a week or two back.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And you all do realize that QD has the best first start of any QB at Tennessee. Noodle on that.

Edited to add - That does not imply he will be better than any before him. I am just tired of folks tearing down one player to support another.
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It's the sleeves man. :)

But seriously, at this point how is this even a debate anymore. It's OBVIOUS that he's the guy. Everyone wants to focus solely on on the field ability but some people just aren't paying attention to QD away from the field. Dormady is such a poised, mature young man who handles himself off the field as well as you could possibly expect. Have you heard him in interviews? He sounds like a 10 year NFL veteran. He's always the "grown up in the room" which is exactly what you need at the QB position. He didn't get rattled last night. He kept plugging away, plugging away, he let the game come to him, and he made the plays that had to be made when it counted.
 
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allvol21 said:
I am sick of reading about it, studying on it, and analyzing it just as much as you are . So I am not here to questoin who is the better quarter back... Who should have started last night. In stead, I have a question for you that I cant seem to find the answer. For just a few minutes I want you to put your self in the coaches shoes... BTW I am in no way qualified to wear those.

Hypothetically they are in spring ball in closed door coaches meetings and A) come to the the conclusion that the best thing for that position is to create competetion for as long as they can hing they will cause those players to compete and imorove througout the offeseason and that is acctually a logical apporaach.

You get to fall fall camp and you are trying to sell either the race is neck and neck or that the competition is still healthy for both moving into the season. Fast forward to the first half of the football game and switch mindsets to the players minds. If what the coaches were selling is true and that both quarterbacks have the opportunity to start and the starter doesn't produce regardless the reason. Dropped passes, poor protections, bad play calls. As the quarterback that was told you have a chance to start in week one why does he not get his shot? If he is not good enough then I am upset if I am him as he clearly showed thorough body language or the coaches lied to try to create a competition that was never there. Just don't understand the strategy of this staff right now concerning the qb situation.
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You are still taking sides. Let's flip it.

Imagine you've been Dobbs' understudy and back up for 2 years biding your time until you get your shot to play. Then starting in bowl prep you're informed that there will be a competition for the starting role. Your patient work behind Dobbs is means nothing. Then imagine that rather than getting pissy about it... you set out to work hard and win the position. Then imagine that over the next 8 months, that's precisely what you do. Then imagine that after getting off to a slow start with an inexperienced O... the coach pulls you to give the other guy his "chance".

WHAT CHANCE? The chance to win the starting job? He had the SAME 8 month chance to win the job that you did. So how is it "fair" to ignore 8 months or really 3 years worth of work to give the loser of the completion a "chance" to take the job YOU earned?
 
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gunner said:
There NEVER was a battle! It was all lip service by Butch and the other coaches.

JG has every reason to be upset. He was lied to and played. But, that's what coaches do.
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Proof or stop being deceptive by posting conjecture as fact. You for whatever reason tied your emotions to JG over QD. There was a competition. It lasted 8 months and the guy who performed best was given the job. JG can have a bad attitude or he can do what Dormady did and prepare for his opportunity.
 
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allvol21 said:
I am sick of reading about it, studying on it, and analyzing it just as much as you are . So I am not here to questoin who is the better quarter back... Who should have started last night. In stead, I have a question for you that I cant seem to find the answer. For just a few minutes I want you to put your self in the coaches shoes... BTW I am in no way qualified to wear those.

Hypothetically they are in spring ball in closed door coaches meetings and A) come to the the conclusion that the best thing for that position is to create competetion for as long as they can hing they will cause those players to compete and imorove througout the offeseason and that is acctually a logical apporaach.

You get to fall fall camp and you are trying to sell either the race is neck and neck or that the competition is still healthy for both moving into the season. Fast forward to the first half of the football game and switch mindsets to the players minds. If what the coaches were selling is true and that both quarterbacks have the opportunity to start and the starter doesn't produce regardless the reason. Dropped passes, poor protections, bad play calls. As the quarterback that was told you have a chance to start in week one why does he not get his shot? If he is not good enough then I am upset if I am him as he clearly showed thorough body language or the coaches lied to try to create a competition that was never there. Just don't understand the strategy of this staff right now concerning the qb situation.
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I don't like commenting on this. But would anyone put in a QB that is on the sideline, not engaged in the game, pouting, whatever, did he care if the TEAM won, or that he should be playing? His apparent lack of interest for the TEAM says volumes about where his head is!
 
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I'm glad QD finally settled down in the 2nd half and I know a lot of dropped balls hurt our momentum in the first half, but I don't know if he ever actually stepped into a pass. He almost always threw on the backs of his feet or purely with his arm. He also made a lot of bad decisions the entire game, Quez bailed him out on a couple deep balls, he threw some balls behind the WRs or high/low, and the GT defenders missed on a few INTs. Against a better defense those will he picks. However, it was his first start and I believe he will get better as the season goes on.
 
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BP4Prez said:
Dormady has been running the first team O all camp. It was clear he was the clear cut starter. The players and the coaches knew it. Go look at John Kelly's interview from a week or two back.
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Yep. But there are some here bitter because they got caught up in media spin based on the "competition". Jones certainly encouraged it by not denying the "possibility" of using two QB's or saying the QB's were pushing each other. But Dormady led the competition from post to post.

There's always competition. There always should be competition. The kind of players you want will never be satisfied unless they're pushing anyone ahead of them.

This will be a test of character for JG... and I can only hope he has a MUCH better attitude than his devotees here.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
With today's youth and instant gratification society, JG probably end up transferring
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Tell me about it. I'm like, you're a red shirt freshman. You'll be the projected starter as a redshirt junior with plenty of mop up duty between now and then. Hell you MIGHT be the projected starter as a redshirt sophomore if QD has a great season and declares early. These QB's with their "take my ball and go home" mentality has got to stop.
 
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Orange&White said:
I'm glad QD finally settled down in the 2nd half and I know a lot of dropped balls hurt our momentum in the first half, but I don't know if he ever actually stepped into a pass. He almost always threw on the backs of his feet or purely with his arm. He also made a lot of bad decisions the entire game, Quez bailed him out on a couple deep balls, he threw some balls behind the WRs or high/low, and the GT defenders missed on a few INTs. Against a better defense those will he picks. However, it was his first start and I believe he will get better as the season goes on.
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He had some bad throws. Some were misreads by receivers. One of the earliest "drops" by Jennings was a very poor throw.

But... he didn't let it get in his head, shook it off, and put a great second half together.

The pass to Callaway looked bad live but watching it again... it wasn't a bad throw. The other DB came over but MC had single coverage and had the opportunity to run by his man. I'm not sure why he chose to go up rather than running under the ball. Either way, it was his ball. It was thrown 40 or 50 yards to a point where the DB's only play was to tackle MC after the catch.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Tell me about it. I'm like, you're a red shirt freshman. You'll be the projected starter as a redshirt junior with plenty of mop up duty between now and then. Hell you MIGHT be the projected starter as a redshirt sophomore if QD has a great season and declares early. These QB's with their "take my ball and go home" mentality has got to stop.
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Yes. And it isn't like QB's don't get injured. Maybe Dormady doesn't improve or play well enough to keep the job. Worst case he becomes a VERY well prepared RS Jr.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. And it isn't like QB's don't get injured. Maybe Dormady doesn't improve or play well enough to keep the job. Worst case he becomes a VERY well prepared RS Jr.
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Just like Dormady. He came in and red shirted, worked hard, learned, MATURED (very important), bid his time until Dobbs graduated, and now he's the man. I just don't understand how these QB's are all so hell bent on starting as freshman and RS freshman. What is your rush? Don't let pride and ego get in the way of your development. Embrace your role until your name is called! Being QB#1 at a major division 1 football program is a tough gig. If you are fortunate enough to be at a program that allows you to red shirt and spend a couple of years developing, you should relish that, not turn your nose up at it.
 
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BearBryant said:
I don't like commenting on this. But would anyone put in a QB that is on the sideline, not engaged in the game, pouting, whatever, did he care if the TEAM won, or that he should be playing? His apparent lack of interest for the TEAM says volumes about where his head is!
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For many here the apparent answer is "yes". For anyone who has ever played the game or led a team of people... the answer is probably no.

There are a noisy few who vested their egos in JG being the starter. They've never seen him play outside the spring game. They've seen very little practice and no scrimmages outside the O&W game... but they're convinced that he should be the starter regardless of what the coaches who have worked with the two for the last 8 months think.
 
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Here's what I love about QD. He's so tall. He was able to slide around and throw passes over the line on those crossing routes. While he won't escape and tuck it like Dobbs, his height is going to be just as resourceful.
 
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