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This one falls under the category of who am I going to believe --" my lying eyes " or antagonists and defenders of our qb play. It gets old commenting that it needs improvement and sharing observations only
to be called a Negavol etc. and told what great play we are actually getting out of the quarterback position.

This is what my eyes have observed and it has been born out by the database. I am not a hater, and think there are a lot of great things that JG does and can do. He was in fact ranked 36 th among quarterbacks -
and has had very few turnovers - yet the following bears out our reality and what you and I see and have seen since he has been our quarterback.

"Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano "
"In terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that travel 10 or more yards since 2018. "
 
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Do you feel better?

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This is your big "gotcha" post? We've heard that one from the neverJG crowd ever since it came out. It's one of the few QB stats where he is below average but go by that one little quote if you like. You're also spewing hyperbole as nobody has said he played great and if they did I've not seen it. Keep trying though, I'm sure ol JG will play terrible somewhere down the road and if you're lucky it will match up exactly with your evaluation.
 
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JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.
 
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I don’t see very many people defending JGs inaccuracy or claiming that we’re getting a high level of play at the position right now. I really think it comes down to whether you trust the coaching staff or not. For me personally, to believe that the coaches are playing anything but our best option at arguably the most important position on the field, requires a degree of mental gymnastics and conspiratorial thinking that I’m just not capable of at the moment.

We truly don’t know what we have in Shrout and HB to be sure. But do we really believe we are in a situation so desperate that we need to throw them to the wolves in a10 game all-SEC schedule in order to find out? To put it mildly, that would be ill-advised. Thankfully it appears that our coaches don’t think we are that desperate.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
This is your big "gotcha" post? We've heard that one from the neverJG crowd ever since it came out. It's one of the few QB stats where he is below average but go by that one little quote if you like. You're also spewing hyperbole as nobody has said he played great and if they did I've not seen it. Keep trying though, I'm sure ol JG will play terrible somewhere down the road and if you're lucky it will match up exactly with your evaluation.
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AMEN!
 
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He ranks "last" for accuracy - It is what it is - if he ranked middle of the pack or upper tier I am sure you would be offering it up as evidence of how good he has played. I have seen it stated that he is equal to other quarterbacks in the league like Trask at Florida, etc. etc. His mechanics, processing, recognition, timing, release point, speed and delivery all combine to create problems for him in completing timing patterns. I am hereby christening him "High and Wide." I guess on the goal line it would be " High, Wide and Hot ".

I like him - he is not an accurate passer, in fact he is EXTREMELY inaccurate. It gets frustrating watching old "High and Wide" sail another one over and behind his receivers. To paint him as anything other than inaccurate ( thus far ) is fiction.

It's equivalent to defending a shooting guard's 3 point shooting, when he is hitting on 12 per cent of them after four years.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
This one falls under the category of who am I going to believe --" my lying eyes " or antagonists and defenders of our qb play. It gets old commenting that it needs improvement and sharing observations only
to be called a Negavol etc. and told what great play we are actually getting out of the quarterback position.

This is what my eyes have observed and it has been born out by the database. I am not a hater, and think there are a lot of great things that JG does and can do. He was in fact ranked 36 th among quarterbacks -
and has had very few turnovers - yet the following bears out our reality and what you and I see and have seen since he has been our quarterback.

"Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano "
"In terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that travel 10 or more yards since 2018. "
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Wow a thread about a ranking we discussed weeks ago. Great insight
 
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Jauan't Some? said:
I don’t see very many people defending JGs inaccuracy or claiming that we’re getting a high level of play at the position right now. I really think it comes down to whether you trust the coaching staff or not. For me personally, to believe that the coaches are playing anything but our best option at arguably the most important position on the field, requires a degree of mental gymnastics and conspiratorial thinking that I’m just not capable of at the moment.

We truly don’t know what we have in Shrout and HB to be sure. But do we really believe we are in a situation so desperate that we need to throw them to the wolves in a10 game all-SEC schedule in order to find out? To put it mildly, that would be ill-advised. Thankfully it appears that our coaches don’t think we are that desperate.
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This is not an issue of trusting that the coaching staff is making the right choice at QB. There arent many people who would argue that JG isnt the logical "best hope we have". This isnt an argument about who should be QB its an argument about whether JG can get it done or is this season going down in flames because UT has a terrible/unsolvable situation at QB because the best QB we have isn't nearly good enough to win big in the SEC.
 
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CA_Vol said:
JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.[/Q
Fullfillmer said:
This one falls under the category of who am I going to believe --" my lying eyes " or antagonists and defenders of our qb play. It gets old commenting that it needs improvement and sharing observations only
to be called a Negavol etc. and told what great play we are actually getting out of the quarterback position.

This is what my eyes have observed and it has been born out by the database. I am not a hater, and think there are a lot of great things that JG does and can do. He was in fact ranked 36 th among quarterbacks -
and has had very few turnovers - yet the following bears out our reality and what you and I see and have seen since he has been our quarterback.

"Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano "
"In terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that travel 10 or more yards since 2018. "
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At this point in time, if any of the backup quarterbacks were viable alternatives to JG, they'd be on the field. So what does your rant accomplish?
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CA_Vol said:
JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.
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He has improved imo...
 
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LittleVol said:
He has improved imo...
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He's still late with his decisions and does not anticipate well. However his throw to #5 for a TD was good on both accounts.

The problem is that "improved" still isn't good enough. He has to do it consistently. UT just cannot afford to miss plays like that early throw over Keyton down the sideline. A well thrown ball extends the drive. A ball thrown on target and a half count earlier gives Keyton an opportunity to get by the safety and score.
 
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sjt18 said:
He's still late with his decisions and does not anticipate well. However his throw to #5 for a TD was good on both accounts.

The problem is that "improved" still isn't good enough. He has to do it consistently. UT just cannot afford to miss plays like that early throw over Keyton down the sideline. A well thrown ball extends the drive. A ball thrown on target and a half count earlier gives Keyton an opportunity to get by the safety and score.
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Do you think Pruitt and Chaney are the right coaches to lead this program in the future ?
 
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OP Would you mind to show your work - the whole picture? From your post it just feels ... what's the right word ... cherrypicked?
 
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sjt18 said:
He's still late with his decisions and does not anticipate well. However his throw to #5 for a TD was good on both accounts.

The problem is that "improved" still isn't good enough. He has to do it consistently. UT just cannot afford to miss plays like that early throw over Keyton down the sideline. A well thrown ball extends the drive. A ball thrown on target and a half count earlier gives Keyton an opportunity to get by the safety and score.
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Looks like we could afford missing the throw on the sideline in the 1st quarter on the 1st drive as we still won the game. That's 7 wins in a row now that you've stated that we can't afford for him to continue to be the crap QB you think he is, keep spinning it as I'm sure we'll lose again sometime in the future.
 
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BruinVol said:
Do you think Pruitt and Chaney are the right coaches to lead this program in the future ?
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For the most part, yes. I still have reservations and questions for Pruitt to answer as we go forward. One is how he manages the QB position this year. JG may turn the corner which will make JP look brilliant... if he doesn't then whether, when, and how he reacts will be important. I'm also interested to see what he does with the run game. The OL was well below expectations IMO. UT should have mauled them.

I've always liked Chaney a lot. I think what he did with UT's O in 2012 shows what he can do with the right QB and some freedom.
 
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