QB Rant (aka "If Scroggins Doesn't Come, Don't Kill Yourself")

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EricFreakingBerry

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I keep reading about eggs in baskets, and being doomed if Scroggins doesn't come, etc. It's just starting to drain me a bit. I would argue that we don't need a prototypical, pro-style, super highly recruited, dropback passer who is a can't-miss NFL type of prospect to even get back in the hunt for SEC/NCAA championships.

Yes, I also understand skill players and offensive linemen want to go somewhere where they see a highly touted prospect at QB, but we didn't sign a single QB in the last class and still picked up Brown, Oku, Richardson, Teague, Green, etc. So with recruiting effort, we can still get playmakers. (Maybe this year, we can get some more offensive linemen with our recruiting prowess)

I mean seriously, here are the last several starting QB's for NCAA national champions:

2008 Florida - Tim Tebow
2007 LSU - Matt Flynn
2006 Florida - Chris Leak
2005 Texas - Vince Young
2004 USC - Matt Leinart
2003 LSU - Matt Mauck
2002 Ohio State - Craig Krenzel
2001 Miami - Ken Dorsey
2000 Oklahoma - Josh Heupel
1999 Florida State - Chris Weinke
1998 Tennessee - Tee Martin

You seriously have to argue that 1997's Brian Griese is the most successful professional quarterback who's been a part of a national championship football team in 12 years now. The jury is still out on guys like Leinart and Young, and I don't think anyone knows for sure what's going to happen with Tebow yet. While some of these players were still highly recruited "college" players at the QB position, you can't say a program is doomed just because of a lack of stars at the QB position.

The whole offense last year was horrible. If we can get a smart kid with a decent arm, and find some guys who can

a.) block
b.) get open
c.) run swiftly

You can still get back to 9-12 win zone and competing for bowls and championships again.

We may never see a Peyton Manning ever again here at this university, but we still have no hardware from his time at the program, so while it's by no means unimportant, I just urge everyone to relax a bit if Scroggins doesn't come here.
 
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Valid points!

PM did at least win the SECC though. But I know you are talking about NC's.
 
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Good points. It is interesting to examine the QB's from the national championship teams.

It would be nice to see how each of these QB's ranked in their respective QB classes when they came out of HS.
 
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EricFreakingBerry said:
I mean seriously, here are the last several starting QB's for NCAA national champions:

2008 Florida - Tim Tebow
2005 Texas - Vince Young
2004 USC - Matt Leinart
2002 Ohio State - Craig Krenzel
2001 Miami - Ken Dorsey
2000 Oklahoma - Josh Heupel
1999 Florida State - Chris Weinke
1998 Tennessee - Tee Martin
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I don't think that list helps you out very much. I took out the QB"s you wouldn't consider great, and it basically took out Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. Besides that, all of those are some elite guys.
 
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They all had top notch talent around them as well. Besides running backs we don't have that on the field.
 
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bburger991 said:
I don't think that list helps you out very much. I took out the QB"s you wouldn't consider great, and it basically took out Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. Besides that, all of those are some elite guys.
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That's where we disagree. I think most of the guys you left remaining on the list are not elite, and/or not prototypical pro-style QB's.
 
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Tebow, Leinart, and Weinke won the Heisman.
VY was one of the most dominating college players.
Krenzel was 3 time all conference.
Dorsey was a 2 time Heisman finalist
Heupal was AP Player of the Year

I'd say they are all pretty great.
 
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My point is more on the "NFL Factory" stance. Success on the collegiate level for quarterbacks is more dependent on the team around him than on the professional level. While you point out the players individual achievements, my point was that they were likely heralded because of solid play at their position, but not because they carried their teams in some cases. In others (Tebow for example), I'm not arguing that he didn't carry his team as much as I'm saying that he's not the prototypical quarterback that our staff would be going for in our "pro-style search."

My point is that even if we sign a duel-threat QB out of necessity and have to "make it work" or if we have to sign a not-so highly touted dropback QB (Rettig, etc.) then there are MANY more elements in play that determine our team's overall success.

There are obvious merits to the QB's you mention, but consider that Vince and Matt have proven nothing in the NFL, Tebow may or may not ever be an NFL quarterback, and the rest have been mired in mediocrity in the professional ranks after their championship seasons in college. In the meantime, Tom Brady never won a NC. Peyton Manning never won a NC. Ben Roethlisberger never won a NC. But they all are dominant in the NFL and would be considered NFL prototypical passers.

I'm saying basically that Scroggins being one of the top recruited QB's in this class, pro-style to fit our exact needs, is not the only player that would be able to run this offense and deliver at least an improvement in our team's play.
 
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bburger991 said:
Tebow, Leinart, and Weinke won the Heisman.
VY was one of the most dominating college players.
Krenzel was 3 time all conference.
Dorsey was a 2 time Heisman finalist
Heupal was AP Player of the Year

I'd say they are all pretty great.
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Aren't Leinart and Dorsey the 2 winningest QBs in CFB history too? VY was the #1 overall player coming out of high school. I would prolly put Krenzel in there with Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. The offense he played on couldn't score much at all. Flynn imo was terrible, but Matt Mauck could play. I think we all remember what he did to UT when Rohan Davey got hurt in the '01 SEC Championship game...
 
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Lord Vader said:
Aren't Leinart and Dorsey the 2 winningest QBs in CFB history too? VY was the #1 overall player coming out of high school. I would prolly put Krenzel in there with Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. The offense he played on couldn't score much at all. Flynn imo was terrible, but Matt Mauck could play. I think we all remember what he did to UT when Rohan Davey got hurt in the '01 SEC Championship game...
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Part of me is saying that Nick Stephens could be near the top of winningest QBs in CFB history too if he was a member of the teams Leinart and Dorsey played on.

These guys could seriously play, and I admit, not just any Tom, Dick, or Harry quarterback out of high school would have been able to achieve the "exact" success, but still everyone looks at some of these guys as "college" legends and not "football" legends. I simply feel like people think Scroggins (or Heaps) is (were) the only avenue to 10+ Winville for UT, and I just don't think that is the case.
 
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These guys may have not been elite pros, but I'd be willing to bet that they were all highly recruited by the top schools. My point is that no one knows how Scroggins will project as a pro, but he is a top college prospect and we need guys like him.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Aren't Leinart and Dorsey the 2 winningest QBs in CFB history too? VY was the #1 overall player coming out of high school. I would prolly put Krenzel in there with Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. The offense he played on couldn't score much at all. Flynn imo was terrible, but Matt Mauck could play. I think we all remember what he did to UT when Rohan Davey got hurt in the '01 SEC Championship game...
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As far as most games won, it's David Greene and Peyton Manning. And Matt Flynn wasn't that bad.
 
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I really like scroggins and think if we get him we get his teammate dion bailey who is one of my favorite prospects in this class. But to do that we must PAINT THE ROCK!!!
ATTENTION: Tell every ut fan you know we must paint the rock!!! I bet someone has connections. By the way, scroggins visits on thursday(thats tomorrow).
 
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bburger991 said:
I don't think that list helps you out very much. I took out the QB"s you wouldn't consider great, and it basically took out Flynn, Mauck, and Leak. Besides that, all of those are some elite guys.
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Craig Krenzel is an elite quarterback in the way a KIA is an elite car.
 
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vol_in_ga said:
I really like scroggins and think if we get him we get his teammate dion bailey who is one of my favorite prospects in this class. But to do that we must PAINT THE ROCK!!!
ATTENTION: Tell every ut fan you know we must paint the rock!!! I bet someone has connections. By the way, scroggins visits on thursday(thats tomorrow).
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Already done...
 
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hatvol96 said:
Craig Krenzel is an elite quarterback in the way a KIA is an elite car.
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Not one of your finest efforts...no offense.

So we've basically gained that Matt Flynn and Matt Mauck were good game managers and Krenzel played for Ohio State, thus diminishing anything he's ever done, for obvious reasons. All of the others were great college QB's.
 
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vol_in_ga said:
I really like scroggins and think if we get him we get his teammate dion bailey who is one of my favorite prospects in this class. But to do that we must PAINT THE ROCK!!!
ATTENTION: Tell every ut fan you know we must paint the rock!!! I bet someone has connections. By the way, scroggins visits on thursday(thats tomorrow).
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If by connections, do you mean a can of spray paint? Because that's about the only connection you need.
 
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