Pruitt without JG

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VFL-82-JP said:
I disagree with the premise. Maybe not with the conclusion, about JG limiting our program, you could be right there. But the premise about this being the worst season in UT history, I think that's wrong.

Not sure how you're defining it, though. Maybe you could clarify.

The 2017 season was the worst on record in two specific ways: never before had we lost 8 games in a single season, and never before had we gone 0-fer in SEC play.

We will not be blanked this year, as we've already won 2 SEC games. And if we manage to beat Vandy and/or Auburn, we won't repeat the 8-losses-in-a-season debacle.

So not sure what metric you're using.

If it's based on number of wins, or win percentages, we've had worse. Of both. One year, we had a big goose egg for Ws. And a couple of times, we've gone 1-6-2.

Heck, even Johnny Majors went 4-7 once, which is not very different from the 3-7 mark I think we'll end up with in 2020. For that matter, Johnny went 5-6 in his fourth season as our head coach. Poor fella, we'd crucify him if he were our coach in these days.

So, just not sure how you're seeing 2020 as the worst year in our history. By every metric that comes easily to mind, it won't be.

Not saying 2020 is a good year, it's clearly a disappointing one. Just saying, it's not vying for worst ever.
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Any year with less than 5 wins gets moved to the "worst team every" category.

I remember before 2017 it was just UT and Ohio State, I mean THE Ohio State, who had never lost more than 5 games in a season. Those were the golden years of UT football..
 
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Man it sucks when your team struggles to find a QB and you watch lesser schools QBs slinging it.
I don't always put that on coaches. Franks that was at Florida started there and showed glimpses of being good but like JG just never seemed to put it together. Even at arkansas he is better but not elite. Maybe Bailey can be trask?
With a defensive coach this is always the worry. The top offensive minds are head coaches so you end up with hopefully a young guy on his way up, but far to often a 2nd tier offnesive mind.
With that they dont get enough elite players to have an elite offense and struggle to get the truly elite QBs.
The longer this team flounders on offense the less the recruits become interested.
To me defense is about players first then scheme.
Its way less imaginative. Dont get me wrong good play calling helps.
Look at chump. He has had some good defenses over the years as head coach. His offenses sucks.
Like pruitt they play to concervitive and have second tier offensive coaches. They get some great players on offense but to few.
I just think this was pruitts year to shine and be able to get more talent or fall down and watch far to many kids go somewhere else. I dont see a pretty time coming unless he start a young QB that can show some serious "come play with me" talent these last few games.
 
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I just hope all our players end up being Champions of Life. That's all I expect out of the UT football program.
 
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90 Vol said:
If we had a better QB, offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, secondary, and coaching staff we would be contenders. It appears that we are on the cusp of greatness.
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Indeed, patience is the order of the century
 
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vols27 said:
I know everyone wants to fire CJP (me included) but it ain’t gonna happen. Freeze is not coming here, our AD would never make that choice.

So, let’s face facts, we are stuck with CJP at least until 2022. If we have an offense with Bailey or Salter at QB with a solid defense and a veteran O-line, what is our win total? Can we compete with Bama, GA and Florida? I think that is the question. If we can no longer blame JG, then the on field results will justify his success or failure.

I am disgusted by what we have seen on the field this year but we have yet to see this team under CJP without JG at QB.

Most winning teams have a successful QB leading the team. Look at Nebraska today, they benched Martinez and beat Penn St. I totally agree that CJP should have benched JG last year not to mention this year and who knows we may see Bailey start next game. Not saying we should accept what we have seen thus far but rather that we should accept the fact that we have a QB problem.

Just my opinion, flame away. GBO![/QUOTE

Pruitt is the right man for the job. He isn't going anywhere. He just got an extension. He won 8 games last season.
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it would be like peanut butter without jelly, corn without the bread, beans without taters, spagetti with no sauce, cereal without milk, Dolly without boobs, etc
 
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#35
Pruitt without JG is like Abbot without Costello and Laurel without Hardy
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, not everyone wants to fire CJP.

I'm in favor of giving the man at least through next year.

Is he the guy to take us back to championships? Don't know. Maybe not. Things aren't looking promising right now. But I want to see how he does next year, once things have normalized again, before reaching a conclusion.

Just wanted to be on record that I'm not one of those ready to pull the trigger yet. There are more of us around than you might think, given the widespread threads of angst and woe.

Go Vols!
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My problem with waiting another year is that you have coaches who are proven to be successful and can be had this year, that will not be available next year. If we sit on Pruitt this year, we will be dealing with Freeze at SC next year, having another perennial automatic L.
 
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Godfatha said:
My problem with waiting another year is that you have coaches who are proven to be successful and can be had this year, that will not be available next year. If we sit on Pruitt this year, we will be dealing with Freeze at SC next year, having another perennial automatic L.
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The only coach at least theoretically available right now that I'd be willing to cut Pruitt loose for without one more year's chance is Urban Meyer.

If our administration is willing to pay $8m, $9m, or more per year, and Meyer would accept returning to the sidelines, that is.

Everyone else who is available right now, not that good. Give Pruitt through 2021 to see for sure, I think.
 
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vols27 said:
I know everyone wants to fire CJP (me included) but it ain’t gonna happen. Freeze is not coming here, our AD would never make that choice.

So, let’s face facts, we are stuck with CJP at least until 2022. If we have an offense with Bailey or Salter at QB with a solid defense and a veteran O-line, what is our win total? Can we compete with Bama, GA and Florida? I think that is the question. If we can no longer blame JG, then the on field results will justify his success or failure.

I am disgusted by what we have seen on the field this year but we have yet to see this team under CJP without JG at QB.

Most winning teams have a successful QB leading the team. Look at Nebraska today, they benched Martinez and beat Penn St. I totally agree that CJP should have benched JG last year not to mention this year and who knows we may see Bailey start next game. Not saying we should accept what we have seen thus far but rather that we should accept the fact that we have a QB problem.

Just my opinion, flame away. GBO!
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JG is either the big problem and Pruitt will turn the corner after he's gone or else he's the symptom of a much more significant flaw in Pruitt's approach to the HC job.

It is a good "tactical" choice to look at practice performance and play the best practice player. However that isn't always a good strategic choice... and strategy wins more wars than tactics.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I disagree with the premise. Maybe not with the conclusion, about JG limiting our program, you could be right there. But the premise about this being the worst season in UT history, I think that's wrong.

Not sure how you're defining it, though. Maybe you could clarify.

The 2017 season was the worst on record in two specific ways: never before had we lost 8 games in a single season, and never before had we gone 0-fer in SEC play.

We will not be blanked this year, as we've already won 2 SEC games. And if we manage to beat Vandy and/or Auburn, we won't repeat the 8-losses-in-a-season debacle.

So not sure what metric you're using.

If it's based on number of wins, or win percentages, we've had worse. Of both. One year, we had a big goose egg for Ws. And a couple of times, we've gone 1-6-2.

Heck, even Johnny Majors went 4-7 once, which is not very different from the 3-7 mark I think we'll end up with in 2020. For that matter, Johnny went 5-6 in his fourth season as our head coach. Poor fella, we'd crucify him if he were our coach in these days.

So, just not sure how you're seeing 2020 as the worst year in our history. By every metric that comes easily to mind, it won't be.

Not saying 2020 is a good year, it's clearly a disappointing one. Just saying, it's not vying for worst ever.
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How about fewest wins in the modern era at 3. And we still have work to do to get there.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Any year with less than 5 wins gets moved to the "worst team every" category.

I remember before 2017 it was just UT and Ohio State, I mean THE Ohio State, who had never lost more than 5 games in a season. Those were the golden years of UT football..
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We have shown we can compete with bigger teams when JG is not the QB.

JG actually guaranteed us a loss at Bama last year.
 
#45
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Nasavol said:
How about fewest wins in the modern era at 3. And we still have work to do to get there.
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Sure, that's one way to define it.

Of course, we play only 10 games this season. In the modern era, we've always played between 11 and 13. Also, we have no cupcake games against Group of 5 or FCS teams this year, a luxury we've normally been afforded in the modern era.

If we played a normal 12-game schedule this season, with 3 cupcakes, we'd probably have 2 or 3 additional wins. Even if we stubbed our toe on one of those games. With that, we'd probably be contemplating beating Vandy to get to 6 wins, or Auburn and Vandy to get to 6, and be bowl eligible.

That's how this season would really look, in a more normal year.

That's why I think it's not super valid to think of it in "worst season ever" terms.
 
#46
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VFL-82-JP said:
Sure, that's one way to define it.

Of course, we play only 10 games this season. In the modern era, we've always played between 11 and 13. Also, we have no cupcake games against Group of 5 or FCS teams this year, a luxury we've normally been afforded in the modern era.

If we played a normal 12-game schedule this season, with 3 cupcakes, we'd probably have 2 or 3 additional wins. Even if we stubbed our toe on one of those games. With that, we'd probably be contemplating beating Vandy to get to 6 wins, or Auburn and Vandy to get to 6, and be bowl eligible.

That's how this season would really look, in a more normal year.

That's why I think it's not super valid to think of it in "worst season ever" terms.
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Well opinions vary, I think a team that loses to KY at home by 27, gets outscored in the second half 88-7 in the last 4 games, and is at best going to win 3 games this year, with an offensive line that was supposed to be one of the best in the nation, deserves to be rated as one of the worst teams ever.
 
#47
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, not everyone wants to fire CJP.

I'm in favor of giving the man at least through next year.

Is he the guy to take us back to championships? Don't know. Maybe not. Things aren't looking promising right now. But I want to see how he does next year, once things have normalized again, before reaching a conclusion.

Just wanted to be on record that I'm not one of those ready to pull the trigger yet. There are more of us around than you might think, given the widespread threads of angst and woe.

Go Vols!
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You are a rational Vol fan which is rare on this board in this day and age.
 
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If we have an offense with Bailey or Salter at QB with a solid defense and a veteran O-line, what is our win total? Can we compete with Bama, GA and Florida?
GBO!
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I say yes, handily. Butch Jones teams were competitive with them, and he didn’t have that line. You do have to have some skill player chemistry but any team can have that.
 
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